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[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Show me where the alteration mentioned that the members must be of a certain race and I'll believe you

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

It is about giving special voice to first nation which is race. It is clear as day.

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

I need a quote from the alteration, everything else is speculation.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Let's flip this a bit. How would you feel if women made decisions about how men should live their life, but not consult them to see if this would help them or make life difficult for them? That's all the voice was going to do. It wasn't going to make it's own laws or anything like that. It would always be the politicians elected by the general public that was going to do that. It was about making things level for first nations people's. You keep saying you want everyone in Australia to be treated the same, THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE VOICE YOU DICKHEAD.

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

It may be a point but it uses unacceptable methods. If voice was about , "let's give any deprived people more voice" ( and define how it is actually will work) i would vote yes.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was defined. Just because you swallowed the media bullshit and didn't bother to look into the issue yourself doesn't make you superior. If anything, it makes you inferior. And don't say you did, you've already expressed surprise when someone linked you elsewhere in this thread.

How about this, what if we decided that people who immigrate to Australia don't get the right to have equal representation in govt when it comes to matters of immigration? Would you have come here? No, because the system wouldn't be fair for you. That's what happens with our first nations people's. They don't get a fair say in things that effect them. And that's wrong.

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Differences is. First nation people has exactly same right as anyone else. They already have representation via normal election.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No. They don't have normal representation via normal election. This has been proven numerous times. Since the Morrison govt. It's the whole reason the voice was proposed. Do you think people just went "I'm bored, let's cause a stir". No. This was based on facts, something you've decided to completely ignore.

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago

From top of my head they are 3.8% of population. So they should be heard for that 3.8%. And about Ignored, I'm not claiming it is wrong, but could you please provide some references.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks for link. But article does not explain why they need voice more than any other minor group. There are many groups which was wrong in the past, why they are not getting voice?

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Did you read the whole thing? Cos it certainly covers that. Just because you don't understand it and can't parse out the relevant information doesn't mean I haven't given it to you.

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I did. There is nothing there explaining why they need help in any other way than any other disadvantaged group.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Again, your English sucks. The whole article is the reason why. They're not gonna sit there and compare it to every minority group in Australia you giant cockwomble...

[-] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

So homeless for example do not deserve special voice but aboriginals does? Cut this racist shit, if voice was about helping one who in need it will be total different matter.

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's you who is the racist, mate.

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