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About 100,000 turn out in London for pro-Palestine rally
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What about the group that's aware that Palestinians were forced out of their homes and have been forced to live in impoverished conditions for decades?
What about the group that recognizes the actions of both sides as being wrong and that neither side is "right"?
They'll be ignored because all Israelis know what the state's endgame is here and all its horrible implications.
There are many Israelis fighting hard to protect civilian lives, both in Gaza and the West Bank. You should look up B'Tselem. Quite a few of their activists got arrested over the last few days for peacefully protesting the bombing campaign.
Oh yes I'm not justifying israels expansion at all, israel isn't some completely innocent toddler sitting in a corner. It's however very interesting that you're excusing the recorded actions that has showed up online though, the rape, the murders, the torture, the executions of whole families in their homes, because "israel also did bad!".
I feel no empathy for those who affiliates themselves, supports, and/or celebrates it. Those actions regardless of the reason or source are absolutely fucking despicable. They specifically targetted civilians instead of soldiers, police, or people in the government. They went in to specifically kill anybody that couldn't defend themselves simply for being jewish, and living in Israel. Watch the clips again and then tell me "Oh yeah well what about....."
Nobody is exusing anything. Shelling cities and blowing up residential buildings Is bad. So is raping and murdering civilians.
Most of us just want the violence to stop on both sides. Hamas was a side effect of Israel's oppression. Same as most other terrorist groups and gangs. Everyone is doing awful things and it just needs to fucking stop.
Of course, war is hell and this will never end well for anybody. Check the statistics I linked though and you'll find that 50% of Palestinians don't want peace as long as israel exist. How would any sort of peace be established if half of the entire population is against it? The Jews and the Muslims have been in conflict with eachother over Jerusalem since the 1800's. As Jewish people moved into the city at an increasing rate the Muslims and jews started murdering eachother. The atrocities have been aweful from both sides for soon 150 years, long before Israel even existed and sadly now after this terrorist attack, it will probably end up as "just Israel".. I hope any innocent civilian have the ability to get out of there before things really escalates.
However, to come back to my original point, you'll never find compilations online of israelian soldiers doing the same things that the beloved Hamas did, and if they wouldve, you would never see Jewish people celebrate the rapes and murders of children and women.
Anybody here can say whatever they want, it's beyond disgusting to see the amount of support and celebrations that was going on during the 7th october attack and the total lack of reaction from the rest of the world regarding it. Grow some fucking balls and condemn the celebrations. I'll never have the urge to help anybody that approves of and/or celebrates the things shown in those videos.
From your link:
That does not support your claim, because people were not asked about what you claim, and it's grossly dishonest to suggest they answered based on your characterization.
The question is two-pronged, asking both whether Hamas should change their demands and then narrowing the possible solution down to one specific peace alternative that we know many Palestinians would be deeply unhappy with, given that it would mean substantial territorial concessions and might well also have been interpreted as largely giving up the very thorny right of return demand.
Nothing in this question asks people to agree or disagree to "peace as long as Israel exist".
A more reasonable interpretation is that half of Gazans are support substantial concessions before even starting any negotiations by expressing support for a kind of peace that'd involve the Palestinian side giving up on big territorial claims from the outset.
When you misrepresent the numbers this way, why should anyone listen to you?
Your comments are rife with false dichotomies, strawmen, and general fabrications. If that's what you need to make your points, you might want to look at your stance critically and ask yourself some hard questions.