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About 100,000 turn out in London for pro-Palestine rally
(www.theguardian.com)
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LOL that any brit has the guts to be out there protesting when literally they are one of the founding pillars of the conflict would be funny if it wasn't so fucked.
@rivermonster
Wait, are you saying that people should never protest against something their country is doing/was involved in?
Yes.
Well that's dumb. How's a country going to correct its behaviour if it's citizens can't voice they want to change?
South Africa, for example, would still be an apartheid state.
Yes.
Wait, you're pro-apartheid?
What? You totally inverted the comment with which I was agreeing.
You too have the ability to change your answer instead of leaving it to be pro-apartheid.
Care to elaborate?
Livus is referencing the Balfour Agreement .
Please go back to reddit
Hey now, he's got some education in the matter, let's not punch down on someone whose got an educated opinion here
You’re not my real dad.
Dude, your comments are useleas, stfu plz
no
You cannot blame the normal civilians for these particular actions. I don’t even think, some of them were even born yet.
The British clusterfuck here dates back to the first world war. No one remotely involved is alive now.
...and, we exited the area well before Israel achieved statehood.
"Well before" Israel unilaterally declared independence thr day we left.
And there's definitely no way to learn your country's history. The UK who has even more crimes against humanity and war crimes under its belt than even the US. And the US NUKED civilian population intentionally. Even with that the UK should shut the fuck up about this specific issue.
But then again, most people weighing in on the conflict don't know any of its history.
They don't know that 2 state was about to happen when Arafat walked away.
They don't know how Israel pulled completely out of the west Bank and Gaza, and in exchange for autonomy, their armed security forces used their weapons to attack Israelis.
They don't know even the basic modern history of the region like the Yom Kippur war. Could you imagine what the response would be if Israel attacked Mecca during Ramadan? LOL, bc that's what the Arab countries did.
They don't know there were at one point Palestian Jews....
The list of ignorant shir and misinformation being slung around here is insane.
There are NO good guys and bad guys in this conflict. It is just an endless parade of war crimes by everyone involved.
I readily condemn Israel's long history of crimes (including many and current war crimes against the civilians in Gaza). Because I know Israel has blood on its hands.
But these Anti-Israel or Pro-terrorism nutters (your choice) can not even acknowledge the horrible war crimes and terrorist acts that triggered this latest escalation. Instead, they make empty excuses and whatabout away the most horrific intentional attack on civilians that we've seen in a long time. It's tribalism rather than care about right and wrong. There's a reason the Aussies were shouting "Gas the Jews" at their rally.
I'll happily soak up all the downvotes in the world, calling bullshit on the armchair experts with five minutes of research from a propaganda site with an agenda--any day. Meanwhile, these uninformed or intellectually disingenuous shills, or their closest bedfellows the racist anti-semites make excuses for the horrible laundry list of crimes committed by the elected representatives of Gaza.
All the while, even if the pro-terrorists aren't anti-semites they are happily in bed and cheering side by side with them over a common cause. And the comfort with which they do is beyond disturbing.
You don't sound very happy
Pretty sure the Romans named it Palestine to be dicks to Jews lol
I don't think there are many people that are seriously pro hamas, just benign or neutral, in respect to the fact that one side which has a large collection of groups working together, the Israeli defense force and US government etc, etc yet has kind of made some blunders and has not played their cards very well.
Even for the USA, after 9-11 and Iraq, when they moved ahead with invading Afghanistan, there was still an attempt to spend some time with negotiation and "state building" despite being seen across the world as barbarian invaders. See, the gift of being ignorant but having a lot of guns is that you don't have as much weight on your shoulders if you screw up, the biggest project could be a highway, but for Israel, they've had a lot of international support and has had more than 50 yrs to resolve the Palestine question, I think it's quite fair to say by now that they're kind of bulldozing just to act like they have easy answers because they have an urban growth problem now more than an actual terrorism problem.
Ironically the fact that they now have a terrorism problem is more a symptom of government incompetence than terrorists actually actively seeking to destroy the state of Israel
To be blunt, even a Zionist here would understand that it's not about being for or against the state of Israel having a right to exist, it's about the issue of the IDF failing to resolve real issues with terrorists while essentially turning a blind eye to repeated problematic behaviours.
I get your points and don't disagree fully. But they have had a terrorism problem for a long, long time. If Hamas had not been blowing up civilians on busses, then Perez would have been elected, and chances of a 2 state solution would have been high (it was so close). Then, had Perez been elected, it is less likely Arafat would have walked away from the talks--which he did (effectively ending a possibility of 2 state from the Oslo accords).
But Hamas did successfully put Netanyahu (a horrific war criminal) into power (remember he was losing until the Hamas suicide and bus bombings and because of that he won by what like 1 percent). Thus, Hamas successfully prevented 2 state, which they then used to rise to power and become the elected representatives of Gaza.
A two state solution would have been even more likely had that Israeli orthodox piece of shit not assassinated Rabin. The reality is the greatest enemy to peace has been rhe religious nut jobs on BOTH sides. But even then, I still think Pereze would have managed it while working with Arafat.
By not cracking down on Hamas, Arafat enabled their rise to power and successfully gave them enough coverage to sink 2 state by getting Netanyahu elected. And their partnership (Hamas and Netanyahu) have made this whole fucking mess even worse ever since.
History matters on this stuff. Especially when people are protesting in support of terrorists without any historical context or understanding of the propaganda they've fallen victim to.
Warmongers unintentionally keep each other employed, what a suprise, truly a potential future case of systems producing human displacement as a means of sustaining other systems
Nah love you bro