618
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2023
618 points (100.0% liked)
World News
38979 readers
2355 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Right now EVs can be charged at home with power they can generate themselves via solar panels. How is going back to a gas station a better and more convenient solution? Also, you think battery tech will never evolve?
Because millions of people cannot change at home. They don't have a garage to charge in.
Not to mention you will need a "gas station" for long distance driving anyways. Might as well have one infrastructure that serves both purposes.
In fact, this is how the ICE car won over BEVs in the first place. ICE cars were invented before the gas station, but the gas station allows ICE cars to be ubiquitous and available for everyone. As a result, BEVs died out in the early 1900s.
You do realize hydrogen technology can also evolve? FCEVs of the future will be better than FCEVs of today. Furthermore, fuel cells are basically batteries anyways. The moment you start talking about metal-air batteries is the moment you admit defeat, because hydrogen fuel cells are basically hydrogen-air batteries.
There are about 44 Hydrogen fueling stations in the USA right now. Every home and parking structure damn near has at least a power outlet.
Today you can do a cross county road trip with an EV. You can not do that with a Fuel Cell. I don't see that changing. Batteries are just more convenient.
Same could be said of BEVs not that long ago.
And no, it will never be more convenient than a chemical fuel. Once there are more hydrogen stations, no one will bother with slow recharging.
Nobody will? We already do. 🤣
Then why does everyone complain about long recharge times, or long lines at fast charging stations?
Look, you don't have to lie to yourself anymore. There's a technology that can reduce refueling/recharge times to that of a gasoline car. Might as well start talking about the next big idea, not prop up the outdated one.
This is called projection.
Wrong. Again, my goal is to solve climate change. You're making shit up about why this is happening.
Like I said, you no longer have to lie to yourself about the limitations of BEV. An FCEV refuels in 5 minutes, solving this problem completely. Unless you think I'm making this up, then you are the one projecting here.
We all think you are insecure and borderline mentally ill, if that's what you mean.
The proof is in the pudding. The market has spoken and nobody is buying your pipe dream.
You lost. Get over it.
Says the man stuck in 2015, totally abandoned by the entirety of the political left.
You're just a brainwash fool at this point. Still chasing the lies of this one Fascist dude as if the rest of world still believes those lies.
Get help.
Bro you're literally not solving climate change with hydrogen vehicles no matter how much you tell people on obscure forums on the interwebs. You'd have much more of an effect on the fossil fuel industry by driving your car into a refinery.
Most people won't have any effect whatsoever, and some will do more harm than good. At least I'm doing something.
I'm glad you feel like you're helping :)
If your goal is to solve climate change then why are you spending all this energy bickering about how you think hydrogen cars are better than EVs? Everyone driving a hydrogen car isn't going to solve climate change.
By itself, no. But you can power basically anything with hydrogen. Pretty much all of industry will switch to hydrogen. Same is true of most of transportation. It's just the BEV fanatic crowd that suddenly has an issue with passenger cars also being powered by hydrogen. In reality, it is a big revolution across many sectors. That will in fact solve climate change or at least greatly reduce the problem.
Guess what, bud, you can power basically anything with electricity too. Electricity even powers hydrogen vehicles!
Actually no. You actually need a chemical fuel in a lot of cases.
A hydrogen car is basically an EV but with a vastly more energy dense battery. Hence why it is a better idea than a BEV.
Those people who don't have a garage to charge in? They're parking their cars somewhere, and odds are those parking spaces are within 100 yards of a power line.
Heck, countries where it's cold enough that gas cars need block heaters to be able to start have had parking lots wired for power for decades.
Like on the street or some random parking lot.
Hydrogen allows for converting gasoline stations to hydrogen. That is the simplest and in fact cheapest solution.
You can't just pour hydrogen into the underground tanks, you know? You aren't really reusing anything but the land, and you could do something else with it if the gas station wasn't there.
You might as well claim that EVs let you reuse gas stations as charging stations. All you need to do is install completely new charging stations.
You store hydrogen in underground salt caverns on the large scale. Similar to how natural gas works. Above-ground tanks for local storage, and move via pipelines for the most part. It is not a perfect replacement for gasoline, but it is close enough.
The reason why you reuse gas stations because that's what's actually happening. Hydrogen stations are just converted gas stations in most cases.
Where on earth do you think your local 7-11 is going to come up with underground salt caverns?
We don't even have pipes for gasoline and it doesn't soak through steel. Nobody's paying to dig up all the roads and footpaths necessary to build hydrogen pipelines across town and replace them when the hydrogen turns them brittle.
Local hydrogen stations will probably use above-ground tanks.
Hydrogen pipelines are 10x cheaper than wires. It's not some inconceivably huge cost.
It should be added that environmentalist have been screaming for massive investment in green energy, and that cost is of secondary importance. We shouldn't suddenly become hard-right conservatives here. As long as costs are reasonable, it is fine.
???
Source: https://www.brinknews.com/could-hydrogen-replace-the-need-for-an-electric-grid/
So hydrogen pipelines are much much more expensive than wires. Thanks
No. But thanks for playing.
This all you're talking about? Unquantified speculation from a guy trying to sell hydrogen? Don't thank me for playing dude, find another game.
He's spent years of his life researching general green topics and has a Ph.D. If you won't listen to him, then there's no one you will listen to.
This guy? https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/policy/prominent-advocate-for-hydrogen-heating-has-been-secretly-receiving-money-from-gas-network-trade-body/2-1-1418519
It's alright, he says the funding he received from the gas network hasn't influenced him so it must be true. Weird that he forgot to mention it in all of his papers, though. It's just a coincidence that his funding comes from a group that's counting on hydrogen to keep their business and existing infrastructure profitable in the future.
Lmao
A fuckload of BEV advocates work for BEV companies. They never mention their own conflicts of interest.
Impartial researchers do not oppose hydrogen. Attacking the few that take money is just an ad hominem.
I've never seen someone dodge admitting they could be wrong so many times, for days in a row, after being thoroughly talked down to by so many different people.
Personally I think we're gonna experience societal collapse before we get to the point of replacing our fleet of vehicles with electric, let alone hydrogen. I love Green alternatives, but cars in general will be our undoing, not our saviour. I would suggest putting your energy into something constructive, instead of leaving 30 comments on a subject you might have studied and forgotten a lot about, but are still inept in.
Given that you think the world will end, then there's nothing that will be productive.
👉😎👉
Wasting 2/3 of the energy we generate by turning it into hydrogen and back isn't a green solution. It means we need to triple our electricity generation and keep coal and gas plants running for a lot longer.
Funny how the 20% efficiency of photovoltaic panels never bothered you.