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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by selokichtli@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I didn't want to direct this question to Americans specifically because, at this point, other countries have shown support to Israel in one or the other way. If my country was financing this, I would be taking the streets. Shit, I'm right now in the hospital but all I can think about is protesting anyway just to feel I did something to stop this madness.

Are you doing something about this? Are you feeling unsettled? How do you feel about all this mess?

EDIT: So, buying Chinese stuff takes the USS Gerald Ford to Gaza’s coast. Also, TIL that that chocolate my cousin gave me when she was 20 and I was 5, (delicious stuff!) made me a slavist-ish. The fact remains, this genocide is being paid and supported by taxpayers money; of course, I was hoping that most of us didn’t pay taxes wishing for this. Thank you all for your responses, some of them were hard to swallow.

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[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh yeah, and you know the justification for indigenous peoples being granted their land back because their ancestors used to live there, and they were removed?

That's the exact same situation for Israel. The Jews used to live in Israel until they were kicked out.

Let that complicate your morality.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did no one live on that land before the Jews? How about we just get rid of countries, borders and religious claims to lands? How about as transient beings crossing through reality at a pace that barely even registers on the geologic timeline, we just give up this whole idea of possessing everything for that short blip of existence?

Or, you know, lets not and just keep wasting this precious little time we have playing land murder roulette.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The ancestors of the Jews first settled there. It was then the Romans and the Muslims that did the oppression and genocide.

I'm not sure why you think a geologic time scale matters here. These are human issues that only exist on human time scales.

Your abolishment of boundaries and countries is also a very simplistic world view. You assume that there are no bad actors, but there always will be.

Without countries there would be no government. Without government, you can't stop the strong from obliterating the weak.

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There were certainly people there before them just as there were people after. I find that viewing things on a larger scale than we live on helps us appreciate that the world does not belong or yield to us. It was there before we walked it and it will be here after were gone, so the flawed view that any one people has a right or claim is to me personally laughable. It was viewed similarly by those indigenous people you spoke of.

Countries don't stop bad actors and they don't protect the weak. They protect the interests of the ruling class and provide means of control. In this very situation it would appear that nothing is stopping the obliteration of Gaza. Boundaries, countries, walls and the like are just means to segregate and divide. It could be racially, economically, religiously. Whatever you like. As long as we keep propping up these institutions we will never get any closer to peace and unity on those human scales you're so concerned with.

Governance doesn't need to be tied to borders or countries just as hierarchies don't need to be organized vertically.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It was then the Romans and the Muslims that did the oppression and genocide.

When did the Muslim-world commit genocide against Jewish people? The medieval Muslim-world was a safe haven for Jewish communities - as opposed to Christendom... you know - the place where antisemitism originates from?

Your abolishment of boundaries and countries is also a very simplistic world view.

I'd say that fetishizing lines drawn on a map is a pretty simplistic thing in itself.

Without government, you can’t stop the strong from obliterating the weak.

So your solution is to allow the strong a government so that they can obliterate the weak even more easily?

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Why am I actually responding to a comment that is saying muslims don't want to exterminate Jews.

Sure the liberal ones don't, but wtf?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Why am I actually responding to a comment that is saying muslims don’t want to exterminate Jews.

Let me guess... you're a product of the US education system?

You don't have the foggiest idea of the history you are feigning expertise in here, do you?

Sure the liberal ones don’t, but wtf?

What "liberals," Clyde? The only Palestinian "liberals" you will find are the corrupt lapdog racketeers "managing" the West Bank at the behest of Israel. If Hamas takes them out, very few Palestinians will lose any sleep over it... and rightly so.

[-] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Deuteronomy 20:16-18

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

דְּבָרִים

טז רַק, מֵעָרֵי הָעַמִּים הָאֵלֶּה, אֲשֶׁר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, נֹתֵן לְךָ נַחֲלָה--לֹא תְחַיֶּה, כָּל-נְשָׁמָה יז כִּי-הַחֲרֵם תַּחֲרִימֵם, הַחִתִּי וְהָאֱמֹרִי הַכְּנַעֲנִי וְהַפְּרִזִּי, הַחִוִּי, וְהַיְבוּסִי--כַּאֲשֶׁר צִוְּךָ, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ יח לְמַעַן, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יְלַמְּדוּ אֶתְכֶם לַעֲשׂוֹת, כְּכֹל תּוֹעֲבֹתָם, אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ לֵאלֹהֵיהֶם; וַחֲטָאתֶם, לַיהוָה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם.

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