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This type of behavior is indicative of a larger cultural problem that devalues women and their contributions. It also creates an environment that reinforces the idea that men are superior and that women should not be taken seriously. By allowing this type of content, social media sites like Facebook are perpetuating this ideology.

This type of thinking is oppressive and is a form of fascism. In my opinion, if you are not a feminist, you are a fascist.

Sorry if the Facebook memes in the pic are disturbing. But I needed to make a point.

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[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong, but unfortunately much of what passes for "feminism" in the west today has also become complicit in this stuff. (Not to open that struggle session again, but I first realized this about the time certain center-left publications started pushing the "sex work is work" line in a completely uncritical way; whatever the proper Marxist attitude to prostitution is, promoting it to huge numbers of women, as a viable substitute for productive labor, is certainly unprincipled and plays into the hand of capital). Socialist feminism is the way forward!

[-] origamirabbits@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The failures of third-wave feminist wrt industrial exploitation of women & the manifest inadequacies of second-wave feminism wrt class/race/the arrangement of exploitation as a base are how I found Marxism. That said, I would probably categorise 'anti-feminism' as a reactionary mentality different to being critical of a particular doctrine of feminist thought - even though 'feminism' without description is a meaningless word.

I appreciate you bringing this up and moving the conversation forward about what is often surprisingly contentious for Marxists about feminism, though (the status of prostitution) - it's important for Marxists to establish a proper line on women's rights (broadly speaking) and not merely mimic liberals on issues that they may not be informed about. The stance you espouse should be utterly uncontroversial.

Another thing that comes to mind as a practical example for Marxists online is the recruitment tactics of OnlyFans and the proliferation of pro-OnlyFans discourse in sites frequented by teenagers and marginalised women.

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That said, I would probably categorise ‘anti-feminism’ as a reactionary mentality different to being critical of a particular doctrine of feminist thought

Agree on that point. I think part of the problem is that "feminism," like "democracy" and even "socialism," has become in mainstream discourse just a buzzword for something vaguely Good and Progressive, which most people couldn't define if you asked them to, but which they feel they must as citizens of the modern west support. That sort of vague sentiment is easily attacked and destroyed by those with some ulterior motive.

The stance you espouse should be utterly uncontroversial.

It kind of is in this sub -- I only was tentative in bringing it up because last year, after the first big reddit exodus happened, we had about four massive site-wide arguments on the topic. When the genuine Marxist line you've indicated became basically uncontroversial, and everybody moved on to knock-down, drag-out struggle sessions on "what is productive labor," and "what is socialist patriotism," I knew we'd finally transcended reddit.

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