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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Nighed@sffa.community to c/world@lemmy.world

I guess not strictly news - but with all of the vitriol I have seen in discussions on the Israel situation, that have boiled down to arguments over wording, I feel that this take from the BBC is worthy of some discussion.

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[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

UK Parliament added Hamas on the list of proscribed terrorist organizations in 2021. Press release here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/islamist-terrorist-group-hamas-banned-in-the-uk

The EU have them listed as well (didn't bother checking since when).

The US has listed them since 1997 (US Department of Treasury Office of Foreign Asset Control is the agency in charge of sanctions enforcement).

So yeah.

Legally.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

For better or (and very clearly) for worse, Hamas has been the government in Palestinian since 2006.

Either laws and governments matter, or they don't.

You don't get to have it both ways.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Hamas has been the government in Palestinian since 2006.

No theyre not.

The Palestinian Authority is in charge of the West Bank and Hamas is "in charge" of Gaza (even tho Israel controls everything).

If you think Hamas is the government of Palestine, it actually makes sense. Israel loves pretending that's true in the media. And probably the only reason they haven't done anything about Hamas despite controlling every aspect of life in Gaza

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You didn't have to give me a link showing me I'm right...

But you could edit your original comment now that you know.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

it lost control to Hamas;

Hamas exercises de facto control.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yes.

Hamas is in control of Gaza "officially".

Fatah is in control of the rest of Palestine. And they currently go by State of Palestine

So when you said:

Hamas has been the government in Palestinian since 2006.

You were wrong. They are just "in control" of Gaza despite performing zero government functions.

I think you just don't understand the difference between Gaza and Palestine, but it's hard to tell since you only copy/paste.

I'm bending over backwards here trying to help you understand something, but if You're not putting any effort in, I'm not helping anymore.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hamas absolutely controls Gaza with an iron fist. Everything from schools, to infrastructure, to daily life, to the electoral process.

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You asked by whose law they are defined as terrorists. You got your answer: UK law, EU law, US law.

The BBC answers to UK law at the end of the day, not Gazan law, not US law, and not your law.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

The BBC answers to UK law at the end of the day

Actually no, the role of journalism isn't just to parrot and re-express the views of the current government from where they are based.

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I agree they shouldn't parrot the views of the UK government blindly. But the BBC are not above the law. Stop that nonsense.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. They organize and commit acts of intentional violence against civilians with the express purpose of spreading terror.

Calling them anything else other than that is a disservice to the readers of the BBC and implicitly condones their actions by not labelling them as such.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was the Nazi party of Nazi Germany a terrorist organization when Germany invaded Poland?

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

And the BBC will report the fact that Hamas has been designated a terrorist group by those bodies.

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