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Youtube let the other shoe drop in their end-stage enshittification this week. Last month, they required you to turn on Youtube History to view the feed of youtube videos recommendations. That seems reasonable, so I did it. But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices. It still did a pretty good job of showing me stuff I was interested in watching.

Then on Oct 1, they threw up a "You're using an Ad Blocker" overlay on videos. I'd use my trusty Overlay Remover plugin to remove the annoying javascript graphic and watch what I wanted. I didn't have to click the X to dismiss the obnoxious page.

Last week, they started placing a timer with the X so you had to wait 5 seconds for the X to appear so you could dismiss blocking graphic.

Today, there was a new graphic. It allowed you to view three videos before you had to turn off your Ad Blocker. I viewed a video 3 times just to see what happens.

Now all I see is this.

Google has out and out made it a violation of their ToS to have an ad blocker to view Youtube. Or you can pay them $$$.

I ban such sites from my systems by replacing their DNS name in my hosts file routed to 127.0.0.1 which means I can't view the site. I have quite a few banned sites now.

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[-] viralJ@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

The new word for "whitelisted" is "allowlisted"?

[-] Happenchance@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Yes. In the same way that "Master" and "Slave" have been replaced for racist engineering terminology, "Whitelist" and "Blacklist" are replaced with "Allowlist" and "Blocklist".

[-] coffeeaddict@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do these terms actually come from racist backgrounds, or did they come up as a coincidence?
It just feels weird someone would think of a way to degrade black people then decide to use blacklist for things they don't want, then engineers decide to use master and slave to piss off black people whatever. Is that literally the history behind it?

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago
[-] Happenchance@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While the term blacklist does not originate from racist history, it has certainly been adopted by racists before computers, while terms like master and slave have clear links to slavery as a human history: in either case the terms along with others were found to be offensive to a large population and have since been changed to reflect human decency.

Edit: Haha, found the racists. VvV

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

On "master" and "slave" I could be convinced. Those are directly potentially offensive terms. They're also terms that went out of use when we stopped using IDE drives 20-ish years ago as far as I'm aware, but there may still be specific fields where they're used.

But to ban the word "black" because it was adopted by racists feels kind of ridiculous. Aren't we giving these racists a little too much power?

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Master and slave are still used, like in brake cylinders I think.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The automotive field is just all kinds of insensitive... retarded ignition, tranny fluid, I'm sure there's plenty more...

[-] Happenchance@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

"White Good, Black Bad" is a pretty easy case to win when it comes to the "should we consider changing how we speak to not look like an asshole" debate.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It doesn't seem easy to me, at all. Black/Dark also means night, shadow, invisible, while white infers light, visible, day. Lots of bad stuff happens in the shadow, and visa versa, and these themes are pretty universal throughout culture globally.

I guess globally folks are fine with referring to skincolors as white or black (which is oversimplified IMO), but locally the names of colors of the rainbow and the colors of human skins are not the same. Just like real life, because a caucasian's skin is not colored pure white, and a dark skinned person is not colored pure black. Language brought the two closer together, skincolors and absolute color, but they are not the same. If I read all the alternatives to white and blacklist, none of them are instantly recognizable to me. That'll happen eventually, and is not a reason to never change it. But saying black = skincolor so using the word black for bad = bad seems too simple.

[-] Happenchance@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

A whole lotta mental gymnastics going on in this thread.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Also known as thinking... I know, it's hard.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

They’re also terms that went out of use when we stopped using IDE drives 20-ish years ago as far as I’m aware

The flame war over this is still very much alive in electronics engineering for things like SPI buses.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Changed... but have nothing to do with the other.

It's like complaining that the Spanish word for black is "negro". Best go change that, eh?

https://www.change.org/p/consumers-who-are-fed-up-with-this-offensive-language-remove-the-word-negro-from-black-crayons

Edit: oops, fixed the bad typo, and added a context link.

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well it isn't, but maybe in French I would guess. In Spanish, it's negra/o.

Oops! 🤦 my bad. Fixed.

[-] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Their point still stands.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blacklist was specifically used to refer to the refusal of entry as if they were a black person, so yes there is a racist history. Master and Slave is pretty obvious why especially considering everyone uses Parent/Child and Primary/Secondary these days anyway. Like maybe 10% of the change was because of "je-I-mean-sjws being offended" and like 90% just practicality because they're outdated terms that aren't really used.

[-] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago

Don't care. I'm still using white and black list.

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

I've been out of it. What do we call "Master" and "Slave " drives now?

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Privileged drives and economilcally-and-socially-disadvanted-due-to-historical-injustices drives. The last ones a bit of a mouthful, so you can use EASDDTHJ drives.

[-] hundo@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago

We call them obsolete.

[-] Happenchance@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

From Wikipedia:

Various replacement terms for 'master' or 'slave' have been proposed and implemented. In 2020, GitHub replaced the default 'master' git branch with 'main'.[18] Other replacement names include 'default', 'primary', 'controller', 'root', 'initiator', 'leader', 'director', 'manager'; and for 'slave': 'performer', 'worker', 'peripheral', 'responder', 'device', 'replica', 'satellite', and 'secondary'.[18][6][21][22][23] Python switched to 'main', 'parent', and 'server'; and 'worker', 'child', and 'helper', depending on context.[7][24] The Linux kernel has adopted a similar policy to use more specific terms in new code or documentation.[22] Other projects and standards have used alternative terms since their inception.

[-] Gerbler@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry but the idea of changing Master/Slave to Manager/Worker is so funny to me.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Owner and ownee?

[-] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

it is not racist however. words get their meaning by their context. asking if you can bum a fag gets very different responses in the uk and outside

in this case master 2a/d or 5 and I couldnt find any non people slavery related definition so maybe that should get changed after all

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Waiting for the day they change standard chess colors to blue and yellow because black and white are racist terms.

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