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[-] Silentiea@lemm.ee 105 points 1 year ago

It always confuses me to learn that when people want to ban smoking it somehow means ban "cigarettes" and not "nicotine"

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because smoking is WILDLY more harmful than vaping.

Yes vaping has SOME health risks, but it's like saying drinking tea and drinking four loko are just as bad because they both have caffeine

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago

Bro what tea are you drinking that has nicotine

[-] SomeRandomWords 27 points 1 year ago

I can only imagine they meant caffeine, another common drug that's heavily abused but a little more socially accepted

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

How much did big coffee pay you to make this comment? I bet that link installs covfefe!

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wait, they pay for this? And I'm out here sharing medical info for free. Sign me up!

[-] SomeRandomWords 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, because not all drugs are bad for you.

[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean lets not pretend it's risk free, it raises blood pressure, causes headaches, can trigger arrhythmia in those at risk, etc. As far as drugs go it is probably the least risky, but it's not like it comes with zero health impacts.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think anything is risk-free, including the vital molecules that we need to live. But caffeine has way a longer and significant list of health benefits that offset the risks at even moderate doses. So much so that there's enough evidence to encourage people to drink more as a prophylaxis. That list includes protection from gallstones, cancers, asthma, diabetes, Alzheimer's, and cardiovascular disease among other thing like a potential aide in weight loss and even a significant performance boost in sports. What's more, there have been large cohort studies that have found a 3% decreased in risk of developing arrhythmia per daily cup even when controlling for genetics. So the risks shouldn't be used to discourage or scare people away from a proven benefit when the therapeutic window includes up to 4 cups a day. Would I risk the occasional insomnia, headaches, and temporary increase in blood pressure for all the other positive effects given such a lenient margin? Absolutely.

So, really, the public perception that caffeine is somehow dangerous for being labeled a drug is on par with the belief that other substances are inherently dangerous. I think it spills over from the war on drugs, and the delusion of clean eating that often emerges from the dregs of misinformation on the internet and those who perpetuate those beliefs for monetary gain within the wellness communities, ironically enough.

[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've known people, myself included, that have had negative health impacts from coffee, so that could be biasing my perspective. My father nearly died from heart complications after coffee, I bleed at the exit 100% of the time I drink coffee. I love coffee, but I can't drink it. There's probably something genetic that makes my line intolerant. I know people that end up in a migraine caffeine withdrawal cycle on a regular basis. Obviously these are person specific, so you really just need to know your body and act accordingly.

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