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McCarthy out as speaker (www.politico.com)

Rep. Patrick McHenry is now the acting Speaker of the House.

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[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

This is what I don't get. Yeah McCarthy is a weasel. But by republican standards he's still fairly moderate. By the Dems helping to push him out, I can pretty much guarantee that whoever replaces him will be 100x worse. Like speaker majorie green. And with another budget battle coming in 6 weeks, I think the Democrats voted very foolishly today. Their votes definitely aren't going to make things any better.

[-] MedicatedMaybe@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Stop blaming Democrats for the inability of the Republicans to govern. They made this mess and I'm not going to sit by while some dumbass like you tries to blame everybody but them.

[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

No, the republicans are 100% to blame here. They're an absolute joke. But we still have a country to run, and the Democrats usually govern from a pragmatic viewpoint.

What's better for America?

  • keep McCarthy in the speaker seat for another 16 months and take the wind out of the sails of the maga extremists, and have a speaker who twice already has compromised with the Democrats when the clock ran down.
  • help the maga extremists remove McCarthy and then the country goes into a quagmire of no house leadership for 6 months, causing massive amounts of suffering to government employees and others who depend on the government because of the 5 month long government shutdown that ensues.

McCarthy is a piece of shit, hell all the republicans are, but now Matt Gaetz has a taste of power. And I don't know if you've heard him speak, but he seems pretty intelligent. He could end up being the "smart version of Trump" that we've all been fearing. As bad as McCarthy has been, I have a feeling the next speaker will be worse.

That is not blaming the Democrats for what is happening. I'm just shocked that they aren't doing some damage control. It's like when King Solomon had 2 women fighting over a baby. So he offers to cut the baby in half. And one woman says "no, she can have the baby!" and he knows she's the real mother. The Democrats are usually like her.

At the same time, I bet McCarthy's stress level just went from 1000 to 1. LOL

It’s like when King Solomon had 2 women fighting over a baby. So he offers to cut the baby in half. And one woman says “no, she can have the baby!” and he knows she’s the real mother. The Democrats are usually like her.

I think the Democrats have finally learned that there is no wise Solomon that will reward wisdom and responsibility, so the "fake mom" always gets the baby.*

The thing is....in a lot of ways, I agree with you. I do generally want people to take the high road whenever possible. I think short-term losses can be long-term wins, because I think moral behavior is a good thing to model in the world. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing for everyone. The GOP though...as long as I've been alive, haven't been good faith participants in our democracy. There's a danger in letting bullies get away with their behavior, if there's no evidence they're willing to reform.

So I respect this as a surprisingly tough play from the Democrats. The Republicans could have initially put forth a better Speaker candidate that got bipartisan support, but instead they kowtowed to the extreme right, and the Speaker they put in reneged on a budget deal, so he got shitcanned. The moderate Republicans could still, now, reach out to the Democrats for help. But like McCarthy on Sunday, most of them are terrified of their base, and see bipartisanship as a poison pill to their reelection changes (which is true).

*I think in this metaphor Solomon is "the voters", and the "fake momma" is the GOP?

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