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If you're considering buying one you might want to take into account that they removed the headphone jack so they can sell their own wireless buds and headphones.
you mean this strange old socket that is (at least for me) primarily used for collecting dust since almost a decade? yeah, personally I can live without it.
and this fortunately is not apple. You can use every brand of earbud and use all of the features, so I don't really get your point at all. the phone is very good and I hope I will be able to use it until the 30s
Having a headphone jack will let you use any kind of headphone produced in the last 50 years, which has a 3.5mm jack. Also, while listening to music you could also charge your phone, if you choose to, but not with a USB-C only port. Furthermore, USB-C DACs are stupid, they are an annoyance, even the ones with the shortest cables - I broke three of them in two months because they're idiotically designed and they don't fold in my pocket - a thing that never happened with headphone cables.
You also don't get a noticeable delay on the audio, which imo makes watching any video horrible
Two years in and providing a USB-C adapter my wife is still complaining that her current phone doesn't have a headphone jack.
For my daughter I selected the phone mostly for repairability combined with colour choice, which landed me with Nokia - which ended up having a headphone jack. Didn't pay attention to that, but she's happy it is there.
Tell me a pair of wireless headphones that are as good and around the same price as the moondrop Aria's with extremely low latency (so they can be used for rhythm games) and can buy a replacement case for not too much.
Also Bluetooth's audio quality is terrible when also using the microphone at the same time. So you can't really make a call and enjoy listening to music at the same time
I agree with you, but why would you make a calla and listen to music at the same time?
I used to do it all the time during Corona while being home schooled.
Or when you simply just want to watch a video together.
I got a 30 dollar pair of knockoff ipods for my Samsung and the audio quality is better than the wired akg buds it came with. They also sell for less now. No issues with battery life and the case has a battery level display. They also can be wirelessly charged. They're my favorites.
Out of curiosity, what features are restricted on iPhones for off-brand earbuds?
I know with my iPhone 12 Siri is shit on my Sony linkbuds. It won’t read my messages like it would with the AirPods I replaced or allow me to reply with them
I always plug in my car stereo to that old socket in my car...
I care less about the lack of a headphone jack and more about the lack of multiple ports
USB C is genuinely a great multiport, but all of these companies leave the phone with one port. People would care less if each phone had two ports, so you could plug in headphones via adapter while also charging
There are actually dongles which have both an audio jack and a USB c port. I never used one of those dongles though
I have. They tend to be poorly shielded so you get all kinds of hiss and other shenanigans in the audio when you're charging and listening at the same time. The adapters exist, but I've yet to come across one that isn't terrible.
Those suck worse than the old school 3.5mm splitters we all used back in the discman, and later iPod days.
The removal of the headphone jack is one of the worst developments in personal electronics over the last 30 years. Personally I hope that the EU's next port mandate forces its reintroduction as Bluetooth headphones are an environmental catastrophe.
The lack of headphone jack is the sole reason I went with Samsung XCover 6Pro instead. Shame really, because I'm the kind of person who uses their device for +5 years, and prefer fixing stuff myself, but when Apple removed the headphone jack I made a decision to never buy a device without one if there's an alternative with it and I'm still sticking with that. I bought an "outdated" laptop aswell because the newer model didn't have USB-A, HDMI or a card reader. Ironically the most recent models now do.
I mean, I don't know their other practices, but the removal of the headphone jack is hardly green washing. I'd bet it actually is more sustainable to not include it tbh, plus it is likely more affordable. Beyond that, with just looking into it, as I expected, they're a more sustainable and repairable set of headphones compared to the rest of the market. Moreover, I highly doubt dropping the jack would drive folks to decide to buy these if they weren't already. They're not tiny earbuds. They're over the ear which is generally something folks buy when they actually are looking for them.
Sometimes accelerated progress can lead to waste, but holding onto legacy tech for too long can also lead to waste.
The big issue with removing the headphones jack is just that it's now impossible to use wired headphones while charging the phone.
For a lot of people that doesn't matter but for some of us that's a big deal. If they added a second USB-C port that would fix the issue.
But saying the 3.5 jack is legacy technology is also kinda wrong. A USB headset is not inherently better. You have to compare the digital audio converter that's used. While USB headphones use their own dac, the jack uses the dac of the phone. So a cheap phone with high quality USB headphones will be better but a high quality phone with cheap USB headphones would be worse than using the jack.
Which even means jacks would be more sustainable because you only need one dac per phone rather than one per headphone.
And any form of wireless headphones are just inferior to wired connections.
Mmm now you're dealing with powered devices that have another two batteries that wear out, plus the battery in the charging case, all the electronics involved, etc etc
Vs a simple plastic connector and an associated amplifier IC that costs about $3 in quantity.
It would be even more sustainable to not include the Bluetooth module. Less parts means less material use (making it greener) and less cost of materials as well (making it cheaper). The phone has speakers for audio anyway. Who wants to carry around some second accessory like headphones or earbuds? It's not like anyone has a perfectly valid use case for the Bluetooth module, right?
Also, it doesn't feature a serial port. This phone is almost useless. /s
You forgot PS/2. No one's gonna use this USB thing, it sucks.
Is this a fair argument in 2023 with all the options for wireless headphones/buds? I feel like it still sucks because you can't use your dollar store wired sets, but there are enough cheap raycon clones out now that it's hardly a guaranteed secondary sale at this point.
It's more about not being able to use existing high-end headphones and IEMs. It's wasteful and expensive to replace those.
There are workarounds of course, but it's never as nice as having a real headphone jack to work with.
I already have a good set of headphones. I don't want to buy new ones or adapters, especially when I can just buy a device that they can plug straight into
Look, I do understand, and it took me a while to buy into the wireless buds thing, but you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.
The fact is, if you want to keep your old peripherals, but upgrade your main compute device, at some point you need to accept that you'll need an adapter.
The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s as a mini version of the 6.5mm jack... which was used as far back as 1878... it's had a hell of a run, but if you weigh the pros and cons fairly, wireless as a standard has drawbacks, but is actually, ultimately an upgrade and it's well overdue.
I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it's not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.
My main issue with all of this is that I'm not interested in maintaining a charge for yet another wireless device.
I'm a frequent flier for work. My wired noise cancelling headphones run on a single AAA battery for 14+ hours straight. I can buy a small pack of AAA batteries at the airport in 30 seconds and get 60 hours of listening time. I don't have to worry about putting them back in their carrying/charger case. I don't have to worry about charging that case. If they go flat and I don't have a spare AAA battery (the case actually has a convenient hole for a spare AAA), they still work, albeit with a noisier background. And they plug into in flight entertainment system headphone sockets. Haven't seen a Bluetooth option on IFE systems yet.
Would I want to go jogging with my wired headphones? No. I do have a pair of bose wireless earbuds, and they're nice. But every time I think about using them, they are flat in their charging case. I don't want to have to keep the charging case on charge soooooo for 90 percent of my usage , the wired ones it is.
My noise-canceling, Bluetooth headphones in 2004 ran for 2 days, no problem (back when I was flying for work all the time).
"Another thing to charge" is a strawman. They all use C or micro today, and headphones use so little power your laptop can easily charge them. Or even your phone.
What about their typically disposable nature?
Say I’m a fan of buds, but now I need wireless buds. No one makes ones that are made to have the battery replaced. They’re intended to be thrown away after the batteries wear out. While wired ones work forever, maybe needing a replacement cable, or to patch an existing cable… maybe.
Not to mention, audio quality. I’ll skip the buds quality themselves, bc some people claim to not be able to hear the difference… there are no bt headsets that have a mic that even approaches the quality of the old included buds from iPhones. None.
You mean the disposable nature of wired headphones with thin-as-hell 26/28 gauge wires that break if you look at them wrong?
I've broken more wired headsets than I've owned Bluetooth. I still have my ten+ year old noise-canceling bletooth headphones. I haven't "disposed" them.
If things are disposed, it's generally on the person, not the device.
I have multiple 2017 and older phones that still work, and get used as podcast/music players, security cameras, etc. I have a 1998 laptop I use to run Linux for testing. The batteries are toast, but so what.
Again, disposability is primarily a consumer issue, not a product one.
And I call BS on the sound quality. Given the nature of the source, and especially environments we're in, noise is a huge factor. As for the microphone thing - the transport systems are far worse than what mics can do - "can you hear me" wouldn't be a meme otherwise. Until that's addressed it's really a non-argument.
They are not functional for the time it takes to get a useful charge into them. I'll just pause that movie and pop my buds back into their charging case for a while, it's so convenient. So, like I said, you have to maintain their charge, alongside the other devices that have to have their charge maintained.
A lot of it has to do with BLE running constantly in the background (things like find my buds, "easy connect" features with their own management app tend to use it). If you fly like, once a week , and have a headset for flying, you need to check on its charge, as BLE will slowly grind it down to nothing while it sits in your travel bag.
What brand were they? I bought my current set of Bose corded noise cancelling headphones in 2015 precisely because battery life in Bluetooth products was still reasonably abysmal. I'm guessing that they were one of the very first sets to come out, seeing that regular consumer Bluetooth headphones only appeared on the market in 2003.
You're arguing as if wireless audio is somehow better as ps2, etc was replaced by something better.
It's simply not. You either buy a dumbass dongle or have to charge yet another thing. Along with that you can't charge and listen to music at the same time without aforementioned dumb wireless ear buds.
It was a money grab, plain and simple. The 3.5 Jack is still monumentally viable and an asset.
Ye, well, that's just, like, your opinion man...
But seriously, that highly subjective. I'll take wireless over wired any day thanks. The inconvenience of having to charge the buds is not actually as bad as you're making it out to be. You can charge and listen if you consider charging the case as still being charging the whole unit.
The convenience of not having to deal with the damm cables themselves outweighs the inconvenience of needing to occasionally charge them for me, and clearly I'm not alone.
Someone smarter than me can talk about audio quality over wireless, but when we're talking about streaming music from Spotify, it's moot anyway.
The fact is, for the vast majority of mobile users, wireless is an upgrade over wired.
Well that's great because even if they include a jack you guys can all still have that.
Tell me a pair of wireless headphones that are as good and around the same price as the moondrop Aria's with extremely low latency (so they can be used for rhythm games) and can buy a replacement case for not too much.
Also Raycons are trash. Like they're literally e-waste for how bad they are
Also Bluetooth's audio quality is terrible when also using the microphone at the same time. So you can't really make a call and enjoy listening to music at the same time
Who is listening to music on the same headset while making a phone call?
And why use your phone's onboard DAC at that point if you want quality headphones?
That was one of the main reasons I was interested in their phones :/
I miss that modular phone people went crazy about for a week or 2 until it died out
Google bought and killed it
Any evidence for that theory? I guess I've used Bluetooth hesdphones for years, so I've not got skin in the game. Lots of android devices seem to not have a headphone jack. And each part removed is one less part to pay for, or replace, or have to water proof. I've not looked into it because I'm happy to trade sound quality for wireless convienece, but umarent headphones that use the usb c port comparable in quality to 3.5mm?
But if there's a leaked memo or something that it was a concerted plan by the company that would certainly be bad.
You can also buy a cheap USB C-to-headphone-jack adapter.
The main reason they did it is to get a higher water-proof rating, making it easier to last longer.
Please stop with water resistance nonsense. There were phones with headphone jacks that were waterproof.
Louis Rossman was very against this idea, and gotta say I side with him on this.
I just keep a USB c dongle permanently attached to my wired headphones, I forget it's there. It adds like 1" to the overall cable length. I basically just converted all my wired headphones into USB c headphones.