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Sept. 30 (UPI) -- Elon Musk is under fire after publicly backing a far-right political party in Germany, suggesting the current government should not be re-elected over its position on the current migrant crisis in Europe.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Perhaps the bigger news is that far right in Germany is on track to become the biggest political bloc in the country.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Russia, China and the Republicans have been propping European far right parties for the past x decades, and now the recessions and the wars are generating easy support for the populists

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What actually resulted in far right becoming a serious force in Europe was the economic war with Russia. These parties have been fringe for decades, and now they're polling high in most European countries.

The right took a stance against the war from the very start, while the left shat the bed by siding with the liberals. Now that support for the war is collapsing people are moving to the right.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's the final straw (at this moment in time) yes for a situation which has been brewed for a much longer time

Saw your edit

The right took a stance against the war from the very start

This relates more to the moderate right. The far right was openly supporting Russia and against sanctions even after the Crimean invasion. Only after 2022 mobilization they've started to hide this

As the economy is once again in shambles thanks to how capitalism works, the voters are easy pickings for those with empty promises

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago
[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yes. It's a multi-pronged effort. Ops like these really take advantage of working classes in hardship everywhere

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The hardships that the working class is suffering are direct result of the policies European governments pursued over the past two years.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Let's fix that

The hardships that the working class is suffering are direct result of the policies basically all governments in the world have pursued over the past four (or even more?) decades.

And thus the landscape to gain support for reactionaries is ripe for picking.

Europe isn't alone. Capitalism slowly races wages down, the North America Trump play bolstered manipulating voters in places where voting is even possible, and then there's the places where elections have been a bigger sham already.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Sure, the solution to the problem is to move away from the capitalism system and the exploitation inherent in it. There seems to be no real progress in that direction, and instead we're seeing a shift to the right and fascism.

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[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

Nah they were gaining a lot even before the war. Do people have such short memories?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Look at the numbers, they exploded after the war.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, because that doesn't happen on its own.

Russia and China don't have to do shit when Europe's greatest ally is as right-wing as it it's been. In fact, there's even a group for this: the International Democrat Union.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Would the Russia and China far right connections and actions then be happenstance in that hypothesis scenario and how could they be explained to be unrelated?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Russia and China are irrelevant because their interests in Western economies are tertiary at best: it neither affects them ideologically nor economically.

Whether Western governments buy Russian oil is entirely independent of what government it is. Whether Western governments buy Chinese manufactured products is entirely independent of what government it is. There's this puffed up sense of Western self-importance that doesn't really exist: Russia and China both see that the future of global economic growth will be in the Global South and are allocating resources appropriately.

In contrast, the International Democratic Union (and similar organizations) have a strong ideological reason for backing right-wing parties and a stronger personal reason to do so: it nets them more funding from corrupt corporations looking for tax breaks and decreased regulation.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I like your pondering.

I have some notes with this theory

There's this puffed up sense of Western self-importance that doesn't really exist: Russia and China both see that the future of global economic growth will be in the Global South and are allocating resources appropriately.

In addition to each northern superpower abusing the hemisphere, they do fight for influence between the northern smaller ones – the aforementioned propping of accelerationist and/or reactionary movements being one way amoug the trade ones you focused on.

IDU is a good example, while it seems to be just one path to the efforts

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

What's the purpose, though? China and Russia hardly need to touch it, because it's the direction that US money is flowing anyway.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

What's the purpose of US/China/Russia influencing others? Destabilization, dependancies, just to gain power for immediate or later use purposes? It's a mighty big question that'd summarize the whole history of geopolitics. Always been happening in different forms I guess.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What power have China and Russia gained? China is decoupling from the West and Russia is doing so as well.

The evidence points to the fact that China and Russia don't need to deal with politics in the West.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Why do they then do deal and interfere if they don't need to? Is it a distraction towards the US?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

They don't. They literally give no shits.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

However it is known that they all do. It's hard to deny something that's happening

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Ah maybe everyone is just having a mass hallucination event. Now I know better, thanks

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Where are your sources? You made the claim lol

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