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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 121 points 1 year ago

In my defense, my 13 year old car died earlier this year and I needed a new car fast. I was completely unaware these systems had gotten as bad as they have until after I bought it.

[-] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 102 points 1 year ago

I figured we're not going to have much choice in the future. We'll be driving cars under End User License Agreements that already send tons and tons of data about us back to the manufacturers.

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 98 points 1 year ago

As much as I love technology, I hate the way it is being used. Car companies don’t make enough money selling cars so they need to collect and sell driver data? It’s dystopian.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago

They make plenty of money, they just want more money

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Capitalism requires obtaining more capital than ever every quarter or you’ve failed as a company. They’re getting to the point they have to violate the customers privacy in order to chaise ever growing profits

[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Capitalism only works in a growing company in a growing market. Once you’re reached a plateau it maxes out your client base you can’t go any higher other than artificially.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It seems to still be working for the mega corps now stealing and selling our private info, no one is stopping them and they’re taking in extra millions from it. Their original business may plateau at a certain point but then they branch out to more business models/types by using the money bucket from the original successful business

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

What’s funny is that that only really applies to publicly owned companies where anyone can own shares of the company.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

But thats rhe name of the game, enough is never enough.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't you love it when it makes you read a disclaimer and click "accept" literally every time you get into the car if you want to use your infotainment center? Who's the asshole who came up with that brilliant idea? Whoever he is, fuck him!

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I suspect that's a hedge against getting sued for one reason or another. The disclaimer always seems to be designed to absolve the manufacturer if you, e.g., follow the GPS until you drive into a lake.

But! The one on my boss' Tacoma he just bought dismisses itself after the vehicle has been in motion about 5 seconds, though. I think that rather defeats the purpose. (What it dismisses to in this case is a nag screen begging you to subscribe to the navigation "service," which he has not done. That sort of thing really makes me want to see about where to buy a cruise missile.)

[-] billy_bollocks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Ah the good ol minivan motor Tacomas. They don’t make ‘em like they used to

[-] Newby@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

My Subaru and every other car I’ve been in the disclaimer goes away if you don’t click it. I have clicked accept in two years.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Our Honda puts up a notice that essentially says "I understand that I need to keep my eyes on the road". Yeah, no shit, Honda. But what's dumb is that it won't go away until you tap accept, so it ends up causing you to have to take your eyes off the road and pay attention to this stupid disclaimer screen if you forget to close it before you start driving.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

There are electric cars built by corporate oligarchs that are not Nazis. More disconcerting you missed that memo.

[-] odium@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, in the US at least, there's very little choice. If we're only counting new electric cars(not SUVs) in the low end, there's basically only Tesla, Chevrolet, Nissan, and Hyundai. Some of the least reliable manufacturers with frequent recalls. And Tesla 3 has the most range and tech out of those for a similar price.

When you get to the $50k+ range, then you have a lot more options with all the high end luxury brands like Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc., offering EVs.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Sure. I'm upvoting you for accuracy, but anyone buying Musk's products at this point is knowingly investing in and supporting his ideologies.

[-] odium@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep, that's why I went with a non-electric car when I was car shopping earlier this year. I have a 220 mile drive I have to do a few times a month because of my work and Tesla is the only EV which has an epa estimated range that can comfortably deal with that. All the other low end EVs were just so much worse, especially for highway driving, and I refused to condone Musk's antisemitism.

But I can see people wanting a low end EV with long distance capabilities and having no other choice. It's either the climate or all of Musk's shit. Not a clear answer between the two. I decided I was already doing my part and being better for the environment than the avg person by avoiding meat.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I really appreciate a lot about the way you roll, IRL and here.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Polestar? Though their next model (3) is going to be an SUV.

[-] odium@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I went to their website, it says a new polestar 2 starts at $50k and polestar 3 at $85k. Those are the only models listed on their website. That doesn't count as low end for me.

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Hey friend, you are not the one who needs a defense, IMO-- You're just the end user caught up in the nonsense. Enjoy your new car as best you can, and just make decisions that make the most sense for you.

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