650
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2023
650 points (100.0% liked)
Europe
8332 readers
1 users here now
News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, 🇩🇪 ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures
Rules
(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)
- Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
- No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
- No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.
Also check out !yurop@lemm.ee
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
This was just a matter of time - and there isn't really that much the affected can do (and in some cases, should do). Shutting down that service is the correct thing - but that'll only buy a short amount of time: Training custom models is trivial nowadays, and both the skill and hardware to do so is in reach of the age group in question.
So in the long term we'll see that shift to images generated at home, by kids often too young to be prosecuted - and you won't be able to stop that unless you start outlawing most of AI image generation tools.
At least in Germany the dealing with child/youth pornography got badly botched by incompetent populists in the government - which would send any of those parents to jail for at least a year, if they take possession of one of those generated pictures. Having it sent to their phone and going to police for a complaint would be sufficient to get prosecution against them started.
There's one blessing coming out of that mess, though: For girls who did take pictures, and had them leaked, saying "they're AI generated" is becoming a plausible way out.
Indeed, once the AI gets good enough, the value of pictures and videos will plummet to zero.
Ironically, in a sense we will revert back to the era before photography existed. To verify if something is real, we might have to rely on witness testimony.
Politics is about to get WILD
This just isn't true. They will still be used to sexualise people, mostly girls and women, against their consent. It's no different from AI-generated child pornography. It does harm even if no 'real' people appear in the images.
Fucking horrible world we're forced to live in. Where's the fucking exit?
It is different than AI-generated CSAM because real people are actually being harmed by these deepfake images.
I was replying to someone who was claiming they aren't harmful as long as everyone knows they're fake. Maybe nitpick them, not me?
Reak kids are harmed by AI CSAM normalising a problem they should be seeking help for, not getting off on.
Not getting beyond your first sentence here. I am not interested in what fucked up laws have been passed. Nor in engaging with someone who wants to argue that any form of child porn is somehow OK.
Im addressing you because you made the claim they are equivalent when they clearly are not.
No I didn't. Go nitpick someone else.
Or better still, explain why you think AI-generated CSAM isn't harmful. FFS
Let's be real here:
Sure, it's not illegal. But if I find "those kinds" of AI-generated images on someone's phone or computer, the fact that it's AI-generated will not improve my view of that person in any possible way.
Even if it's technically "legal".
They tellin' on themselves.
People who consume any kind of cp are dangerous and encouraging thar behavior is just as criminal. I'm glad that shit is illegal in most civilized countries.
This is not going to work. Just because images and videos become less reliable that doesn't mean we will forget about the fact that eyewitness testimony is very unreliable.
You say "forget" like it's not still incredibly common as evidence.
There's lots of data showing that eyewitnesses aren't reliable but that doesn't mean courts actually stopped relying on it. Ai making another form of evidence untrustworthy will result in eyewitnesses taking its place.
A bit off topic, but I wonder if the entertainment industry as a whole is going to be completely destroyed by AI when it gets good enough.
I can totally see myself prompting “a movie about love in the style of Star Wars, with Ryan Gosling and Audrey Hepburn as the leads, directed by Alfred Hitchcock, written by Vincent Hugo.” And then what? It’s game over for any content creation.
Curious if I’ll see that kind of power at home (using open source tools) in my lifetime.
I envisage a world where your browsing Netflix, and based on past preferences some of the title cards are generated on the fly for you. Then based on what you click, the AI engine warms us and generates the film for you in real-time. Essentially indistinguishable from the majority of Hollywood regurgitation.
And because the script is just a series of autogenerated prompts, its like a choose your own adventure book, you can steer the narrative the way you want if you elect to. Otherwise it'll be good enough to keep most monkey brains happy and you won't even be able to tell the difference most of the time.
Then the real money will be in hipster retro human-generated movies
And it will work, because we've grown used to Hollywood being so repetitive.
I know it's impossible to perfectly predict future technology, but I believe AI will exist alongside traditional filmmaking. You'll NEVER get something with the emotional impact of Up or Schindler's List from an AI. You'll be able to make fun action or fantasy movies though, and like you said, fully customized for the viewer. I imagine it'll be like CGI vs traditional animation now - you only see the latter for passion projects, but for most uses, CGI works well enough.
Thats why we need Blockchain Technology..
Check Blockchain Camera for example: https://github.com/sv1sjp/Blockchain_Camera
Abstract:
How exactly does that prevent someone from uploading a fake video?
The point is to know the time that a video has been uploaded as well as the previous and next videos from it for uses as security cameras, accidents in cars etc to be able to trust a video. (More information can be found on paper).
It won't, you'll just be able to verify a source
Not even that. It only allows you to verify that the source is identical to (the potentially wrong information) that was claimed at the time of recording by the person adding that information to the block chain. Blockchain, as usual, adds nothing here.
it can add trust. If there's a trusted central authority where these hashes can be stored then there's no need for a blockchain. However, if there isn't, then a blockchain could be used instead, as long as it's big and established enough that everybody can agree that the data stored on it cannot be manipulated
but false, nonconsensual nudes are not collectible items that need to have their authenticity proven. they are there to destroy peoples' lives. even if 99% of people seeing your nude believe you it's not authnetic, it still affects you heavily
of course not, but that's not what this comment thread is about. It's about this:
that's where it can be very useful to store a fingerprint of a file in a trusted database, regardless of where that database gets its trust from
sure, but again: why woudl anyone like to do that with consensual or nonconsensual nudes?
that is not what this comment thread is about
it very much is:
OP: In Spain, dozens of girls are reporting AI-generated nude photos of them being circulated at school: ‘My heart skipped a beat’
parent reply: Thats why we need Blockchain Technology
a discussion can have multiple, separate threads with branching topics, that's what this threaded comment system is specifically made to facilitate
okay, let's rethread how we got here:
OP: Spanish girls report AI porn of them circulating
parent comment: Blockchain could fix this
1-st level reply: Blockchain can't counteract fake porn being created
2-nd level reply: it lets you verify original source
3-rd level reply: if anything it lets you verify integrity between sources
you: if a central authority can't be trusted to verify sources then Blockchain can
me: it's not about verifying provenance of the material but rather its mere existence in the world
you: we can store the fingerprint of the file in a trusted database
me: but this doesn't affect the material's existence
you: you're going off-topic!
me: I am not
you: this conversation can have multiple threads
can you now see how it's you who's off the rails in this conversation? noone ever questioned how blockchain could allow verifying any piece's of media authenticity, but spreading forged, nonconsensual erotica is NOT about proving whether a photo or video in question is authentic; the problem is that people have got tools to do so in the first place, and before a victim can counteract and prove (using blockchain if you will) that a particular photo is a forgery, the damage is done regardless
you're missing a step there, buddy. I know, it's hard, let me make it a bit easier for you by drawing a picture:
"blockchain can fix this" was never about preventing AI porn from being spread, it's about the general problem of knowing whether something was authentic, hence their choice to reply to that comment with that article
Again, for the sixth or whichever time: this has nothing to do with the clou of the problem
yes, you're right, it doesn't, because we weren't talking about that. "blockchain" can't do anything to help kids from having AI generated naked pictures of them being spread, and nobody here claimed otherwise
....you're right, it has nothing to do with nudes because it's talking about an entirely different problem of court-admissable evidence.
It proves that the video could not have been created at a later time.
yeah but the problem is mere existance of tools allowing pornographic forgery, not verifying whether the material is real or not
How is that better than an immutable database where you guarantee trust simply by gettin your own public hash receipt for the database every time you introduce a new item? Why obfuscate things by riding the "Blockchain" hype bandwagon?
Who manages and guarantees that immutable database?
Not necessarily, solutions can implemented. For example, footage from private security cameras can be sent to trusted establishment (trusted by the court at least) in real time which can be timestamped and stored (maybe not necessarily even stored there, encryption with timestamp may be enough). If source private camera and the network is secure, footage is also secure.
Network security is a pretty big ask though - just look at how many unsecured cameras are around now. And once an attacker is in anything generated on that network becomes suspect - how do you know the security camera feed wasn't intercepted, manipulated, or replaced altogether?
FTFY. Witness has never been that good a means to verify something is real.
Same goes for any deepfake. People are loosing their shit because we won't know what's real and what's not!.
We should have been teaching critical thinking a generation ago. Sagan was pleading for reform in the 90s. We can start teaching the next generation how to navigate the Information Age. What we can't do is make the world childproof.
Yeah, what I see happening is people end up not caring as much because there's going to be so much plausible AI generated crap that any real stuff will be lost in the noise.
Quelle für das angesprochene Gesetz bitte. Das will ich im Detail lesen.
Fang mit dem relativ neuen Fall hier an, und von da solltest du dann genug Info haben um selber zu suchen was die letzten Jahre passiert ist - das ist exakt das wovor damals gewarnt wurde, aber wer den hysterischen Irren die alles was irgendwie mit "Teenager entdecken Sexualitaet" mit dem Strafrecht erschlagen wollen mit durchdachten Argumenten kommt ist dann ja direkt auch ein Paedophiler.
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/koblenz/lehrerin-kinderpornografischer-inhalte-konfisziert-deswegen-angeklagt-100.html