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It was the best of its trilogy and most criticism is complete nonsense, but it still wasn't a great movie. An anti-war deconstruction of Star Wars got made into an actual Star Wars. And that was probably fantastic at one point, but the edit we got was soured by obvious corporate meddling - like the 'whoops, nevermind' ending.
Three simple things would've saved it.
One, end the Rey / Kylo story immediately after their fight together. 'Join me.' Tense silence. No more Rey until the next movie.
Two, have some shellshocked nobody find the crystal fox things and save the good guys. She doesn't need lines. She doesn't need a name. The Force is in all living things. Anyone can be a hero.
Three, don't hand the finale back to JJ fucking Abrams.
rise of skywalker fucked up everything. they tried to appease the fans and it failed big time
It's a plot faucet. From an old discussion elsewhere:
Aforementioned complete nonsense. You're blaming the middle movie for what the other movies did.
Rian provided answers for JJ's mystery-box bullshit. They weren't JJ's answers, but as the third movie proved, JJ's answers sucked. Spreading that garbage thinner would not improve the smell.
One answer in particular was fucking incredible writing: Rey's parents were nobodies. Every aspect of the movie is telling the audience, nobody owes you a destiny, go do cool stuff. Anyone can be a hero. Hey kids, remember how Luke used to be some dirt farmer who saved the universe? Like an identifiable protagonist, and not the secret heir of a prophesied royal messiah? Here you go. Four more of those. Some backwater survivor who can kick ass with a broom handle and three flavors of burned-out space pilot.
JJ going 'nuh uh!' wasn't necessary, clever, or excusable. He dragged the franchise back, kicking and screaming, to being 100.0% about one family of aristocratic space wizards. Slapped that shit right in the title. And yet - people regurgitate that Rian tried to undo everything. You closed out the comment by describing how JJ did that, and at no point do those neurons talk to one another.
That math doesn't math. He was directly responsible for 2/3s of it, and the other third he plowed over.
Rian's script was a genuinely excellent anarchist critique of space opera. Whether or not that belongs in a numbered Star Wars movie is debatable. But the real disconnect with the audience is the edit. The film we got is not excellent. The film we got is not exactly good. And yet - all popular criticism is this same irrelevant fluff.
Luke being a hermit was JJ's fault. It was immutable, when Rian began. Rian's explanation was fine. Jesus Christ, his description of the Force is incredible. People keep shitting on his opinion of the Jedi as if the Jedi way didn't fail the Republic, fail his parents, and fail his mentors, all two of whom kept playing mind games even after death. Some girl shows up expecting How To Hero 101 and of course he says no.
I ask you - as opposed to what?
Sketch it out for me. What does Luke's motivation look like, when a Force-sensitive rando shows up on his extremely private retreat, offering a tool he built from scratch and obviously abandoned? The man knows smugglers, bounty hunters, militants, and diplomats. He's attuned to a psychic power that permeates all life and matter. Some glorified barkeep having his backup glowstick in her basement would not stop him from getting it, if he set aside a month and gave half a shit. Tell me what it would look like, if it looked like that Luke Skywalker was well-written, in your eyes.
Me, personally? I'm quite happy with him kicking Rey straight down the only-what-you-take-with-you hole. He doesn't toy with her except to show her she doesn't need training and shouldn't want training. Yoda played some Mister Miyagi shit while he was looking for a level-up before 1v1-ing the scariest motherfucker in the universe. "Ben" was a dutch uncle his whole life and never mentioned he had space-wizard bona fides, nevermind that his dad was alive and well and the scariest motherfucker in the universe. Jedi hermit Luke points out: the fact this trilogy exists means that what Luke did did not work. Of course he tells her not to repeat his mistakes. His ambition did not solve the problem.
Whoops. Yeah fair enough on mathing that math.
Still no idea what you think was missing from the explanation of how he got there. Him being there was a given. It awkwardly ended the previous movie, with a bizarre helicopter circle shot. Sprinkled throughout two whole acts, we got a Rashomon overview of him doing what we expected and having that blow up in his face. Short of making the movie about him--
And we're glossing over how Luke in Return Of The Jedi very nearly turned to the dark side. The Emperor was fuckin' thrilled until he got chucked down that elevator shaft. Luke Skywalker was always a hold-my-beer archetype. Plan A for Darth Vader was murder. There was no Plan B. Even with Jabba and the Emperor, his idea of a diplomatic alternative was to surrender his way in, and then murder his way out.
Luke being grumpy is infinitely more explicable than having the empire 'return, somehow.' Especially for an audience that's spent decades joking about the prequels, and wonders if the whole franchise would've gone better if Qui-Gon hadn't yelled "duck." Having the prescience to see Kylo ruin everything is the fuzzy precognition we've long since known about. Seriously considering murder as a solution is his go-to. He's not Batman.