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[-] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 140 points 1 year ago

Systemd apparently. Every time someone brings it up, the thread devolves into a religious flame war.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've never got this either. I've been using Linux exclusively for over 4 years, multiple devices, tested dozens of distros, almost all Systemd-based and I havent ever experienced any problems that the anti-systemd folks talk about.

Or at least, they were so rare and minimal that I didn't notice.

Coming from an IT background dealing with 99% Windows machines and Microsoft products, maybe my bar was on the floor, but Linux has been soooo much more stable and dependable than Windows.

[-] Helix@feddit.de 44 points 1 year ago

Been using Linux since 2004 and systemd has made my life significantly easier. People bickering about systemd are usually ultra nerds without arguments real people would consider important.

[-] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 16 points 1 year ago

I agree. Coming from the Windows world, systemd felt quite familiar compared to other components in a typical linux system, I always liked it. It doesn't really follow the unix philosophy though, so it gets a lot of hate.

[-] backhdlp 6 points 1 year ago

F*ck the Unix philosophy, this is Linux, not Unix.

[-] spauldo@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Ditching the UNIX philosophy is a bad idea.

It's a very useful guideline. There are times when those rules should be broken - systemd may be one of those - but by and large the UNIX philosophy has served us well.

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[-] Swiggles 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used Linux (and some Unix) before systemd was a thing and init scripts are jank. So much boilerplate and that was before things like proper isolation existed and other more modern features.

I don't understand why anyone would want that back.

A replacement of systemd with something else would be fine, but please no more init scripts and pointless run levels.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Upstart was fine. It does the parallel init thing without taking over the whole OS.

[-] Swiggles 3 points 1 year ago

I almost forgot it existed. It was a slight improvement, but with a whole bunch of new problems (most notable race conditions which were never fixed) and it was made obsolete by systemd.

It was a good evolutionary step only used by Ubuntu iirc. It was better at that time than the previous init system, but not more than that and it never found wide adaption.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah when systemd came out it was over a decade since I touched an init script. So the only difference to me was my computer booted up faster.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Was a little bit of a hassle initially to convert various custom init scripts into systemd unit files, but it was worth it IMO. Now the init scripts feel kinda jank in comparison lol.

On a barebones or embedded system I can see a lightweight init having a very big appeal though

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