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[meme] How would you rather see this land developed?
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If you look at land use maps, you will see that the urban areas are so small compared to the agricultural and livestock area needed to support the population. This is the biggest cause of deforestation, and population density actually makes it much worse, because it centralizes consumption and requires more logistic costs to deliver the needed food, with much higher rates of wastes. If we lived in less dense areas, perhaps we could do with local, smaller-scale agriculture instead.
Do you have anything you can cite for that proposition? I fully acknowledge that there could be something I'm missing, but just thinking about it logically it doesn't make sense.
It takes X agriculture and Y livestock to feed a person for a year. Economy of scale would allow you to produce more with less in a larger centralized facility compared to many smaller farms. The implements required to support a large facility should be less than the sum of many smaller facilities that produce an equal output. The agriculture and livestock are brought to a central point (the city) as opposed to many decentralized towns.
Happy to be wrong, would just need to see the evidence, because right now my intuition is saying no. Love to see whatever you have!
There are a couple articles I can link when I get home. They studied a similar phenomenon in some Brazilian cities. There are several factors involved, including food losses due to distance to consumption and the fact that smaller producers tend to grow more diverse food.
And the fact that so much food is thrown out, because it spends 75% of it's expiration date traveling between facilities. That's why fresh food from big chains starts being bad way faster than local market bough.
Low density centralized urban areas require even more logistics, higher waste rates, higher utilities costs, and so on.
As an example: a 10 floor high rise with 40 apartments, can be wired for optic fiber in 1 day. There is no way to wire 40 standalone houses just as fast.
The only reason we have huge farms is because of livestock, not population density. Large farms grow commodity crops, most of which go to feeding livestock, most of which are cows. Farms growing fruits and vegetables for human consumption don't require anywhere near the amount of land that commodity crops do. You can feed a surprisingly large number of people off of an acre of land if you take large livestock out of the equation.