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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by chalkman@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works

The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[-] amcjv12@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

These guys fucking suck, no doubt, but I really prefer that we put the impetus on users to block communities they don't like rather than pursue total defederation

[-] PatrickYaa@lemmy.one 41 points 2 years ago

Being tolerant without limits not a good way to handle right wing trolls. Trusting right wing trolls to moderate themselves is, imo, not a route to success.

[-] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago

This comic, in my view, does a passable job of summarising the idea of the paradox of tolerance.

[-] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago

I mean we banned lemmygrad and bigotry is against our instance rules.

[-] amcjv12@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

We banned lemmygrad? I'm not a fan of that either tbh

[-] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago

Tankies can get fucked too. Harmful ideas should not be platformed

[-] Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Harmful ideas should not be platformed

I think that this is a harmful idea and the moderation team should ban you for it.

See how that can get out of hand? Who gets to decide what is a harmful idea?

I certainly wouldn't trust you to do it. Would you trust me to do it?

[-] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

I think this is an incomprehensible idea and the moderation team should ban you for it. It'd be funny. Difficult_Bit_1339 makes the worst argument ever, asked to leave sh.itjust.works

[-] Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

Now you get it.

People being banned for their ideas is a dumb idea because the person who gets to decide what a dumb idea is is often an idiot and will make bad decisions.

[-] laird_dave@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago

You either ban Nazis and similar assholes or your community will be overrun by them, causing the good people to leave.

Prime example: Twitter right now.

The "muh free speech" "argument" doesn't hold in light of the fact, that this is a privately owned and operated platform at the full discretion of the admins. Free speech is a right to defend people from the government, not to enable every asshole to spew their shit into everyone's feed.

Free speech is a right to defend people from the government, not to enable every asshole to spew their shit into everyone’s feed.

Free speech doesn't just mean protection from the government's suppression of speech, that's the 1st amendment to the US Constitution. The 1st amendment simply restricts the US government from abridging freedom of speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognized as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations. Many countries have constitutional law that protects free speech. Terms like free speech, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression are used interchangeably in political discourse. However, in a legal sense, the freedom of expression includes any activity of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

You can curate your feed as you see fit. The block button will remove your ability to see anything that a person posts, you can even block entire communities so you never see anything. You're not asking for the ability to curate your own feed, you're asking for the ability to curate the feed of everyone who uses the same instance as you.

[-] laird_dave@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Guess what, not everyone lives in the US. We still have freedom of speech and this is legally relevant as a defense against the government. You can't force a private company or club or whomever, really, to give you a platform.

Maybe this comic will help you understand.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

I'm not trying to force anything. It's your position that things should be changed.

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