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The pro china/Russia stuff is super weird. Also the hex bear goons brigading everything.
It's very easy for bots and fascists to have a voice here unfortunately
Everyone should have a voice to be honest. Shutting them out completely won't help, it just creates a bubble. As a human species it's important for us to communicate.
But yeah there's definitely more of them here unfortunately.
Deplatforming harmful ideologies is shown to create a reduction in hate speech and harm overall.
Because of this, I am pro-defederation of hexbear. They can have a voice, sure, but it's my choice if I want to listen
I believe it to a degree, but I think it's also a problem because we can't ever change their minds if we're not talking with each other. If they're stuck in a hate-filled bubble, they're only going to enrage each other further and accept each other's biases.
It's a different story if they're attacking other people based on their own beliefs, then they should absolutely be banned from the platform. And if enough of that happens, then at that point de-federation should be the option (which I guess is probably the stage we're at)
I mean good luck changing any their minds. They are heavily entrenched and quite overly aggressive.
Yeah I made some honest efforts the other day. I don't think it can happen on a platform where you are surrounded by people that think the same way as you. There's too much going on. Too much pressure from the hivemind to question openly. It takes a one on one, in person conversation to really get people to question their beliefs.
Since that isn't going to happen here, quarantine to prevent the spread is the best way forward.
Regarding your first point, I think there's more harm mitigated than rehabilitation opportunity lost by quarantining and thus limiting the outreach potential of extremists. The saner, less edgy parts of the Internet are easy enough to access and these people will come across them in due course if they are in a receptive mindset. Whereas I am completely comfortable making their weird little dens of groupthink harder to stumble upon by default.