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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

When the system is threatened police are always the same . One of the worst was g8 protest in italy in 2001

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/17/italy.g8

Stefan Bauer dared to answer back: when a German-speaking guard asked where he was from, he said he was from the European Union and he had the right to go where he wanted. He was hauled out, beaten, given a face full of pepper spray, stripped naked and put under a cold shower. His clothes were taken away and he was returned to the freezing cell wearing only a flimsy hospital gown.

Shivering on the cold marble floors of the cells, the detainees were given few or no blankets, kept awake by guards, given little or no food and denied their statutory right to make phone calls and see a lawyer. They could hear crying and screaming from other cells.

Men and women with dreadlocks had their hair roughly cut off to the scalp. Marco Bistacchia was taken to an office, stripped naked, made to get down on all fours and told to bark like a dog and to shout "Viva la polizia Italiana!" He was sobbing too much to obey. An unnamed officer told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica that he had seen brother officers urinating on prisoners and beating them for refusing to sing Faccetta Nera, a Mussolini-era fascist song.

Ester Percivati, a young Turkish woman, recalled guards calling her a whore as she was marched to the toilet, where a woman officer forced her head down into the bowl and a male jeered "Nice arse! Would you like a truncheon up it?" Several women reported threats of rape, anal and vaginal.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

fucking hell...It amazes me how they manage to find worst of the worst for police departments.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's pretty logical to conclude that the kind of police officers who chose to become shock police (as in Europe they tend te be a separate part of the police who are trained to break up demonstrations) are the ones who, at best, are fine with beating people in exchange for they themselves getting paid more money than regular police, and at worst actually enjoy it.

They're a self-selected group of people from low empathy all the way up to violent psychopaths (the in Psychology called "functional", in that can control themselves enough to only act on their impulses when they can legally do it).

So, yeah, give such people not just de facto immunity for their actions (which extends even to killing people as long as it can be seen as accidental - as happened in the UK a few years ago) and even actual orders to harm people and they'll do it and then afterwards go back home and sleep like babies.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Where as I would agree, I still find it very scary that they can so easily cross the border between being brutal and enjoying torture

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, Civilization is the only thing that stops those who enjoy torturing others from being brutal and, lo and behold, those holding power have de facto created various classes of people who have immunity to the mechanisms of civilization that stop them, one of said classes of people being police officers in certain countries, certain positions in the force and/or certain time periods when politicians in power suspect the rules for them.

That such is at all possible is all part of the overall problem that even in supposedly Democratic nations "civilization" is mainly talk and that whatever of it actually exists is a thin layer. In fact I would go as far as saying that at this moment in time even in some supposedly democratic countries the organised violence of the State is in practice less civilized than the ah-hoc retributive violence of the masses would be - in other words those who enjoy torture, as long as they occupy certain positions in the state apparatus have less to fear if they act such sick wishes than they would have in past times when the state did not have a monopoly on violence and the populous was free to themselves take care of retribution.

For all the messaging (especially in films) that the past was unjust and violent, in some countries the only real difference there is now a thick layer of bureaucracy disguising the de facto immunity of certain people from societal retribution and claiming it's "justice" when anybody trying to exercise retribution is fallen upon by the structures in power like a ton of bricks, whilst in the past it wasn't at all hidden that the minions of the powerful could do whatever the fuck they wanted and there was nothing that rest to could about it - in other words, what before was open that "some are not bound by the same rules as others", now there's a lot of sing and dance to disguse that "some are not bound by the same rules as others" and the violent suppression of any attempt at making it otherwise as being the very opposite - all part of a societal agreed system to do what's Just which "represents the common will" and is always right.

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Why am i not surprised?

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