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This is a war started by russia. Which russia continues. Yes, it's a proxy war. That much is obvious. But the reason for it is russia. Not NATO trying to weaken russia. Unless you're trying to claim that NATO started the war somehow. And if you claim that russia was forced to start the war because NATO was encroaching on their territory then you're showing your true colors. Or you're putting all of the blame on the prolonging on NATO. If your argument is that this is NATO's fault because they're supporting Ukraine then you're showing you're true colors again. And if you're not, then what's your argument?
Doomed if I do, doomed if I don't. Now isn't that a great situation.
Tell me, what it means to show my "true colors"? You mean when my own analysis and knowledge of this war comes to the conclusion, that yes, it's straight up a NATO instigated war, then what? I'm a tankie? A putin troll? You do realize for one, that this is a childish reaction and also that it's a widely accepted perspective, right? Yes, I identify the West as the main malevolent player, but that doesn't mean I side with Putin or excuse the war or anything. That logical leap is just dishonest badmouthing. But that's what you want to do, if you talk about "true colors", right? Pure cowardice.
Have you read the Russia and China parts of the US NSS papers I cited earlier? What do you conclude from that?
Well, first of all, the US is not NATO. So those papers relate to the US more than they relate to NATO. Nobody here is defending US imperialism. We're not talking about that, that's just whataboutism which always appears when russia or china is criticized. No surprise there.
Second of all, how many wars has NATO started? Not intervened in. Started. And how many had russia? Pretty sure russia wins that competition. So yeah, I think it's fair that russia's neighbours ask for help to defend themselves when they look at that track record.
Third, "widely accepted" is debatable. And even if it's true, since when does popularity decide what's fact?
And lastly, you keep repeating and are being sarcastic towards people that are avoiding russian propaganda both here and in other threads. I'm sure it could be just a coincidence, but I don't really believe in those kinds of coincidences.