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I Put a Datacenter GPU in My Gaming PC for £200
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This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Is nobody extremely tired of the AI slop articles??
Is nobody exasperatedly tired of comments calling anything remotely related to AI 'slop??'
Yes.
Lemmy is just by default super AI-hating. I wonder what they felt when Linus Torvalds said that LLM are actually useful tools.
We felt like he's right about it being useful tools but the ethical aspects are hard to ignore. Yes, many ethical aspects.
You're likely conflating the tools with the implementation or the implementers. An open source model on local hardware has next to zero ethical concerns.
There are MANY ethical concerns about the actions of the big players in AI, their data centers, and to some extent, the original, bootstrapped training data sourcing.
Well, yes and no. Even open source models had to consume a lot of power for the training, including the use of non-owned data
Many, many, many things "consume a lot of power" which is both common and benign. A whirlpool tub "consumes a lot of power" for example. So does an electric stove. And the power can be from any source, such as solar, hydro, or wind.
That's why I specified there's minor issues that could be argued about the original data sources. However, that bird has flown the coop. There's no putting that genie back in the bottle, and no way to undo it. You could argue the company's responsible owe every single person on the planet some form of restitution, which I do, but I don't think that qualifies as an ethical concern since it's universal. No one person was harmed more than another, it was all publicly available data - so the public should benefit from the result. Refusing to use it only hampers yourself, at no detriment to those perceived as wrongdoers.
I rarely see people agonize over the ethics of playing a game on high settings for hours because of the frivolous use of electricity.
I don't think so, no?
Okay. So, imagine I'm an indie game developer. I've got no artistic talent, no funds, and am just making a game that I want to play, not one I think will make any money.
With me so far? I download a free, open source, open weights model on my laptop. I install the open source tools to allow the LLM to read my project files, and I give it a thorough description of the game I'm designing. I work on some aspect in the foreground, while in the background my GPU is utilized to achieve some task I've assigned the AI. When it's done, I review the work, commit the changes, and assign it a new task.
What are the ethical aspects you can't ignore in my use case?
If you don't intend to sell or distribute that game, the only aspects left that I can think of are:
I don’t really care what Linus Torvalds has to say, unless it’s about the Linux kernel, and I don’t think his opinions matter outside of that. Being a great programmer doesn’t mean he’s also an intelligent, socially aware person.
He did an interview with Linus Tech Tips a few months ago, and when asked about artists being “upset about the large scale theft of work” coming from AI, he said “that’s reality, deal with it” and even went on to talk about photographers that are out of work because “you can fake pictures so much better now” while, within the same breath, saying programmers wouldn’t lose their jobs because he wants to have his cake and eat it too. (Obviously I’m paraphrasing a bit)
I do agree AI can be a useful tool, and it’s a position I’ve held since OpenAI was first starting to become recognizable. But anything that’s generated by AI is slop, and I’ll continue to call it such even if nobody else will.
The movie “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse” used AI tools to place random blemishes and marks (that the artists created) on characters faces across multiple frames. I don’t really feel like finding a source for this one, but I’m sure you could fairly easily if you’re that curious. I think that’s an actual use for AI. Streamlining and speeding up the creation process to give creative people more time to do actual creative work. I don’t think asking an LLM to generate or “create” something for you is anything but slop.
Slop isn’t about quality, it’s about the morality. The, again, large scale theft of work required to get to the point of being able to generate something of a passible quality level, plus the destruction of the environment in the process. I think it’s pointless to reject AI tools entirely due to how prominent and widespread they are, but “creating” something with AI will always be slop.
Source for the LTT interview: https://youtu.be/mfv0V1SxbNA
About 33:10
I'm conflicted about it too. But there is a useful software development tool in there. Its a beige mind good at regurgitating cookie-cutter work. Its pretty good at scaffold and cookie cutter unit tests.
I hate how it makes my colleages behave, but I can totally see the legitimate $500M/yr industry worth of software in there, under all the BS.
There's a Jetbrains or Atlassian size companies worth of product here.
It has nothing to do with the subject of the article. Are you blind? It’s the exact same bland, AI regurgitated writing style as every other AI written article.
Actually if you’re interested in running a local llm it’s quite a good article
This article ISN'T AI slop.
It's so clearly written with the aid of an LLM that I'm embarrassed for all the people downvoting this comment. Just because the basic outline of the information presented and the sequence of events comes from the real experience of a real person, it does not mean that the real person wrote the article themselves. Seriously, how many real people write like a bad 80s detective movie script? It's literally a parody trope at this point.
Honestly, I just don't care.
I am a monkey, I live on a rock, in the middle of an infinite empty space, that none of the smartest monkeys on this rock can figure out.
I am part of a species that has spent its entire history killing itself in the most horrifying and ghastly ways for the most benign reasons that the greatest war approaches us and everybody is so accepting.
The planet I live on is slowly becoming inhabitable to point where the thought of kids is pointless. And banks have used to many money glitches that currency across the globe is going into hyperinflation.
I really really cannot illustrate how much I do not give a fuck about the cadence of written words in that small space of relief I get from the inevitable destruction looming in a completely absurd and pointless existence.
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So much so…
I thought parts felt like AI and parts felt like a British human writing it.
AI(?):
Human (?):
I suspect he's used some AI polishing tool to turn his draft into a publishable post.