@badgermurphy it's not reality. If you throw a million gigawatts of compute at a problem, you'd DAMN WELL better come up with an answer. But your answer has very little value, because those vulns aren't realistic exploits - it's an extortion scheme disguised as a security exercise.
@badgermurphy I dont think it is actually, considering the damage that the compute build out is doing to the planet. That is literally my original point. The browser was done 10 years ago. We have efficient chemical rocket engines already, I'm a fluids engineer, I know all about them. We don't need a LLM to regurgitate a marginally better design from existing constructs, we need a human to think of a better way to get into space than burning gigatons of hydrocarbons through a nozzle.
@badgermurphy And we already HAVE bug bounties and ways to find vulnerabilities that don't risk exploit, so destroying the planet (which, YES, data centers are definitely contributing due in excess percentage) ISN'T FUCKING WORTH IT.
@badgermurphy lol I've seen those "credible" reports. I should invite some people to come laugh in your face. I bet @jonny could rebut.
you guys are a joke on yourself every time you respond, you get that, right?
And STILL missing the fucking point.
For smart guys, you sure are fucking stupid. You think you're the only ones out here who know stuff. Some of us are ACTUAL engineers buddy, not "computer science" majors.
What a joke.
Go back to ruining the internet and stop bothering me.
@badgermurphy In fact, let me tell you this: I have worked on projects worth $5 billion per unit with over a million parts each that are actually vastly more complicated than your little runtime routines. And do you know how many times in a 30 year service life we asked the customer to update the product? A product with sensors, network connects, comms devices, safety interlocks etc etc?
Never. Never in 10 years. That was our literal criteria. For a product with a 30 year life span.
@badgermurphy Beat that, and then come back and try and convince me it's about security.
Because the thing I worked on was THE MOST SECURE MACHINE IN THE WORLD. A nuclear fucking submarine.
You don't know shit about security. ESPECIALLY if you're using a FUCKING LLM to do your code checks. Jesus, now that you told me that, I'm inclined to just delete the fucking thing.
@badgermurphy You should ALSO, instead of arguing with me when you don't even understand the prompt, is to see the responses on my OP and how many people agree with my thoughts on your product. You are losing your customer base. You ought to be worried about that.
@badgermurphy I'll tell you why, since you're obviously clueless: FUCK. YOUR. LLM. It's NOT intelligent, it's NOT alive, and it is NOT better than an actual senior developer. It's also theft, copyright violation, proprietary data loss, intellectual property theft, environmental damage, and fucking brain rot.
@badgermurphy you're in a thread about AI in Firefox and uneccesary updates to push that garbage. I think YOU are the one who is trying to change the discussion. We're talking about LLMs and consent and security. No one gives a fuck that your argument is "there are special use cases where LLMs are really cool!"
@badgermurphy There is NO BABY IN THE BATHWATER. The LLMs lie, cheat, and steal, and are destroying the planet. We don't want AI, we don't want the data centers, and we don't want the gas turbines.
LLM are a strategic, business, and personal liability, and not only did you STEAL the bathwater, you stole the fucking house.
Machine learning is not AI, we know the difference. What we don't want is your fucking autochat autocomplete copyright theft machine anywhere near us.
@badgermurphy You can't talk about ALL OF AI as one thing. It is not one thing, and we are well aware that the version you're pimping is a copyright thieving LLM, not a machine learning algo running inside a closed system on proprietary data. Stop being disingenious. We're not fucking stupid, and you're just making yourself look bad. Worse, I should say.
@badgermurphy Also, using the words "AI" and "credible" in a sentence only proves you are completely fucking misreading the room.
@badgermurphy it's not reality. If you throw a million gigawatts of compute at a problem, you'd DAMN WELL better come up with an answer. But your answer has very little value, because those vulns aren't realistic exploits - it's an extortion scheme disguised as a security exercise.
@badgermurphy I dont think it is actually, considering the damage that the compute build out is doing to the planet. That is literally my original point. The browser was done 10 years ago. We have efficient chemical rocket engines already, I'm a fluids engineer, I know all about them. We don't need a LLM to regurgitate a marginally better design from existing constructs, we need a human to think of a better way to get into space than burning gigatons of hydrocarbons through a nozzle.
@badgermurphy You're LIMITING your innovation by relying on a machine that can only rearrange the data it has, not think outside the fucking box.
You do realize all AI isn't LLM based, ja?
We've had various types of AI for decades. What do you think controls the NPCs in an offline, one player FPS?
@StupidBrotherInLaw omfg. asshole. READ THE FUCKING THREAD
stupid techbro apologists get fucked and muted
bye now
jerkoff
Lol you've got to be trolling
@badgermurphy And we already HAVE bug bounties and ways to find vulnerabilities that don't risk exploit, so destroying the planet (which, YES, data centers are definitely contributing due in excess percentage) ISN'T FUCKING WORTH IT.
@badgermurphy lol I've seen those "credible" reports. I should invite some people to come laugh in your face. I bet @jonny could rebut.
you guys are a joke on yourself every time you respond, you get that, right?
And STILL missing the fucking point.
For smart guys, you sure are fucking stupid. You think you're the only ones out here who know stuff. Some of us are ACTUAL engineers buddy, not "computer science" majors.
What a joke.
Go back to ruining the internet and stop bothering me.
@badgermurphy In fact, let me tell you this: I have worked on projects worth $5 billion per unit with over a million parts each that are actually vastly more complicated than your little runtime routines. And do you know how many times in a 30 year service life we asked the customer to update the product? A product with sensors, network connects, comms devices, safety interlocks etc etc?
Never. Never in 10 years. That was our literal criteria. For a product with a 30 year life span.
@badgermurphy Beat that, and then come back and try and convince me it's about security.
Because the thing I worked on was THE MOST SECURE MACHINE IN THE WORLD. A nuclear fucking submarine.
You don't know shit about security. ESPECIALLY if you're using a FUCKING LLM to do your code checks. Jesus, now that you told me that, I'm inclined to just delete the fucking thing.
@badgermurphy You should ALSO, instead of arguing with me when you don't even understand the prompt, is to see the responses on my OP and how many people agree with my thoughts on your product. You are losing your customer base. You ought to be worried about that.
@badgermurphy Again, you're being beaten by a FORK OF YOUR OWN PRODUCT.
Why the fuck do you think that is, smart guy?
@badgermurphy I'll tell you why, since you're obviously clueless: FUCK. YOUR. LLM. It's NOT intelligent, it's NOT alive, and it is NOT better than an actual senior developer. It's also theft, copyright violation, proprietary data loss, intellectual property theft, environmental damage, and fucking brain rot.
@badgermurphy and I don't know who is running the @firefox account, but THEY at least seem to get it.
@badgermurphy Stop conflating machine learning with LLMs. WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
When you do that, we hear "lie, lie, bullshit, lie" and stop listening.
@badgermurphy you're in a thread about AI in Firefox and uneccesary updates to push that garbage. I think YOU are the one who is trying to change the discussion. We're talking about LLMs and consent and security. No one gives a fuck that your argument is "there are special use cases where LLMs are really cool!"
No. There are not.
@badgermurphy There is NO BABY IN THE BATHWATER. The LLMs lie, cheat, and steal, and are destroying the planet. We don't want AI, we don't want the data centers, and we don't want the gas turbines.
LLM are a strategic, business, and personal liability, and not only did you STEAL the bathwater, you stole the fucking house.
Machine learning is not AI, we know the difference. What we don't want is your fucking autochat autocomplete copyright theft machine anywhere near us.
@badgermurphy You can't talk about ALL OF AI as one thing. It is not one thing, and we are well aware that the version you're pimping is a copyright thieving LLM, not a machine learning algo running inside a closed system on proprietary data. Stop being disingenious. We're not fucking stupid, and you're just making yourself look bad. Worse, I should say.