I'm originally from a colonised country. I have reasons to be skeptical of dominant western speech and historiography.

I'm not validating every action of socialists, the same way I have to suppose you don't validate every action of the western nations. All governments are probably doing stupid shit, I support none.

I'm impressed by your statement that a governing body that had tendencies to make the right choice is/was a piece of shit, in contrast of generally defending governing bodies that apparently doesn't have tendencies of making the right choices in the economy realm, for most people. Evident by recent banks bailouts.

Adding to my point, we only know about stuff that happens outside western countries through the lenses of western media. Which is generally alright, where there's no state interest in the topics. And this specific topic, of socialism, alternative means of organising production and making politics is very sensitive to western countries, so they have to filter news, just like you'd expect China to do.

Also, thank you for a generally civilised conversation in a very heated sublemmit, I appreciate it. :)