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I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.
~~but~~ and
The Conjunction Constable strikes again
Grammar... hmmm... I'm sure there's a simile I could use in this phrase...
People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.
I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.
You're allowed to not like both of them
If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.
Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”
Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.
They both suck but you're right that Iran is more right about this than the US. It doesn't make them good though.
The comment said he agreed with the post.
This doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
First time on Lemmy? Lemmings unfortunately don't understand that concept.
The western leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague. Don't you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?
Indeed. But you can't demonise the other side for doing them while you paddle in the same pool
What? There's no both sides to this lol. One side is being attacked and one side is defending.
Literally replying to your words
Are you implying that Iran is doing a genocide!? Get the UN on the phone they're gonna wanna hear this breaking news!
As for indiscriminate bombing, absolutely not, lmao every action they've done in this war has been targeted.
As for child sex trafficking, THEY ARE FIGHTING THE EPSTEIN GOVERNMENT.
Honest question at this point: do you think Iran as a nation never existed before the us and israel decided to invade them?
Saying the US threw themselves into a war to distract from the epstein files, or that the current administration (ok lets be honest,the nation state for a long fuckin' time) commits crimes against humanity is one thing. Claiming that only the US has ever commited humans rights violations is just...wat
Call the US shitbags for what they do. But don't pretend Iran is a lily white innocent dove here. Especially when it comes to trafficking and sexual abuse
The US is, and has been for a long time, the greatest source of death and misery in the world. Even before this, it can easily be argued that without US interference and aggression Iran would be a happier, freer place.
Get em', nan!
no kidding. But we cannot pretend they are the only source. Bouncing from broken system to broken system gets us nowhere
Who's talking about bouncing from system to system? Imperial forces need to stop fucking with countries, and let them develop their societies themselves. All the bombing, sanctions etc will only continue to hamper natural political development. The current geopolitical balance is exactly what gets us nowhere. At least nowhere good.
true, but I don't see how that actually answers the question posited. Iran has committed numerous human rights violations on their accord. They shot over thirty six thousand of their own people in January.
What question posited? Whether Iran existed as a nation before earlier this year? I'm really struggling to understand your point. It seems to me that you would like to decontextualize Iran. History matters, and you will never understand the present without studying the past.
Right, but the original thread wasn't discussing history, was it? That was a goal post move.
More than one thing can be correct. And in this case, the Israelis and US do not need to be in Iran, but this does not negate the ridiculousness of making a comment like "Don’t you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?" when both sides commit these exact crimes.
Again, you are distorting and decontextualizing. Both-sidesing like this flattens the reality of the situation, and only serves to justify the status quo. If you care about the problems in Iran, your very first concern should be ending the imperial wars and sanctions against them. Otherwise what is the point of this conversation? I'm here in the US. I presume that you are also in a country that provides material support to Israel or is otherwise directly attacking Iran. What can we do about Iranian problems? We can support the status quo of starving and bombing them, or we can be against it.
Where have I even implied any of that. Google critical support.
I do not think you are equipped to be telling people that.
There is a difrence between having a bad or wrong enforced law vs destroying a random school.
It wasn't random. It was a double-tap strike in a first strike package (generally the most well researched targets) that fucking Google maps knew was a girls school for years.
It was either a deliberate terror strike that intentionally killed a hundred and seventy or so girls between the ages of 9-12 or it was a level of incompetence that is indistinguishable from intentionality and should be treated as such.
Don't justify this action even the slightest by trying to go 'Whoops, teehee, just an accident'
Wonder what they have to say about the 100 other schools Israel and America bombed in the meantime..
You're right!
Two things can be true. No need to "whatabout" these topics
The comment I'm responding to is literally a whataboutism, lol. This thread is about the US being awful.
“also” is not used for whataboutism. The comment you responded to pointed out the hypocrisy in Iran’s position here while agreeing with the general point made. You, however, singled out one side, deflecting from crimes against humanity by the Iranian mullahs by considering the other side “the bigger evil”.
I don’t even dispute that point. The problem is, the person you responded to never made a point of playing down Magastan / Israel war crimes. You don’t have a case here.
Also is used for whataboutism. Your entire premise is flawed.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Maybe there's more than one problem, and none of the governments involved in this are the good guys.
Yes, America and Israel are responsible for the current clusterfuck, but Iran's government is still pretty fucking evil.
Right, and America and Israel are literally more evil. Which governments do you have the most power to change? Do you get a vote in Iran?
There is already sanctions on Iran related to human right abuses by countries backing a genocidal state with weapons and diplomatic protection. Israel and the usa are the countries that are not getting punished
Yup. Not a bad message, but a terrible messenger. His father is responsible for the massacre of thousands of protestors, and he was by all accounts part of that.
We literally admitted to arming those protesters. At that point, they're not protesters but CIA lapdogs trying to turn Iran into another Libya.
People are judged by their own actions not the action of their parents. Not to imply that he is not authoritarian himself
They are cut from the same cloth. He has a reputation for beliefs that are as hard-line, if not more hard-line. The slaughter of protestors is absolutely relevant.
The slaughter is also part of a power structure he has put himself on top of. And there is no indication that he will be any different than his father. The power structure may change a bit after this latest war, but fundamentally it is prone to deadly crackdowns on dissent.
Talking about his father is irelevant . You can talk abiut his connection to the irgc and if role in dom previous protest
So we should prosecute trump for his father's crimes too? Hmm...
I never said anything of the sort. But if you want a closer analogy, we should judge Donald Trump, Jr. for his father's crimes. He has vocally supported his father and often been involved.
Then why bring up his father's crimes at all? What could possibly be the point besides blaming the son for the sins of the father?
Among other crimes against humanity, yes. But when focusing on the US, also for all the crimes against humanity and all the other war crimes.