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Federation has just solidified the fact that there is no saving the West (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago by christiansocialist@hexbear.net to c/politics@hexbear.net

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From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

It's fine, I think some comrades here don't remember how long it took for them to snap out of the capitalist worldview. Going through a naive stage of anti-AES pro-West Progressivism/Reformism/Anarchism/Trotskyism/Leftcom is pretty normal for new members of the left, as is a later sudden uncritical swing to being an ML followed by backsliding because it wasn't based on theoretical understanding.

Eventually if we work on them, a lot of the people there will settle into more mature examples of whatever tendency provides the tools they need in their conditions.

[-] Chapo0114@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

a later sudden uncritical swing to being an ML followed by backsliding

I'm in this picture and don't like it. I doubt I'll ever get over my philosophical distrust of hierarchy, but somehow this made it finally click that I should at least read some theory (and not short versions, or long explanations of the current systems at play in China) before continuing being critical of MLism.

Tbh, I think seeing how insufferable libs are, and how the so-called anarchists of blahaj prefer them to us, really primed me for this awakening. Thanks.

[-] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I think distrust and constant critique of existing hierarchies and authorities is always healthy + good no matter who is in charge frankly. Even if Lenin himself were leading America any good socialist must be constantly aware of the potentialities for leadership and once-revolutionary structures to go awry.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've got all the time in the world for actually well read anarchists who want to move towards something in the real world together as leftists. For me the nuance of leftist ideological differences is moot while we live in this cess pool of the imperial core. Let's all just make some form of socialism for now.

Those clowns you seen on the fediverse and reddit claiming to be anarchists are just spoilt privileged libs who want to appear more intelligent than their fascist mates so pick anarchism because they think it's oh so cute and wholesome because it doesn't like power hierarchies and it enables them to project their own liberalism onto anarchism without ever having to budge an inch ideologically.