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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by jet@hackertalks.com to c/carnivore@discuss.online

Protein recommendations have changed and not everyone is happy about it. Here's what the new federal protein guidelines actually mean for your health, and why the pushback is missing the point.

A recent PBS article argued that doubling the current protein guidelines would push people toward junk food and processed products. But as a cardiologist, Dr. Bret Scher explains why that concern, while understandable, is misplaced. The real issue isn't the target. It's the message around how to hit it.

summerizerProtein debate and core thesis

  • The protein debate is a grocery-cart issue, not just a technical guideline dispute.
  • A recent PBS article says the new federal protein target is unnecessary and will push people toward junk food.
  • That take is misleading because a higher protein target can improve health when it is built from whole foods.

The old rule and its limit

  • The old rule was 0.8 g of protein per kilogram of ideal body weight.
  • That number was built around nitrogen balance: enough intake to avoid losing muscle.
  • 0.8 g/kg is the floor for basic maintenance, not the ceiling for growth, training, strength, or aging well.
  • Healthy adults without elevated metabolic demands were the baseline for the old number.

Why the new target is different

  • The new target, 1.2 to 1.6 g/kg of ideal body weight, is meant to address real-world metabolic needs.
  • The goal is not protein bars, sweet protein cereals, protein snacks, or ultra-processed food with a protein halo.
  • The plant-based-food trend already showed how a health halo can turn into ultra-processed fake meats and packaged products.
  • The answer is food literacy plus a better protein target, not keeping the target low.

What eating more protein should mean

  • More protein comes from whole foods: eggs, chicken, meat, fish, beans, and lentils.
  • Protein package wording does not make a processed product healthy.
  • The practical rule is to seek protein in real food, not wrappers or bars.

Why protein matters metabolically

  • Protein improves satiety, and satiety lowers the pull toward sugary processed snacks.
  • Protein improves body composition by helping the body preserve muscle and preferentially lose fat.
  • Resistance training strengthens this body-composition effect, even when the training dose is modest.
  • Higher protein intake supports glucose control, insulin sensitivity, and healthier body composition.
  • Those outcomes matter for cardiometabolic health because muscle, glucose handling, and insulin function shape long-term risk.

Who needs special attention

  • Teenagers, athletes, and older adults have higher metabolic demands than the healthy sedentary adult behind the old baseline.
  • Growing teenagers need protein for development.
  • Training athletes need protein for adaptation and recovery.
  • Older adults need protein to preserve mobility and resist muscle loss.

Plant and animal protein practicality

  • Plant proteins can fit into a healthy diet.
  • Plant proteins usually deliver less bioavailable protein per calorie and per food weight than animal foods.
  • Hitting 1.2 to 1.6 g/kg from beans and lentils alone can require a large food volume.
  • Animal foods make the target easier to reach with whole foods.
  • Animal and plant sources can both be part of the real-food path.

Bottom line

  • The new protein target is sound when applied through whole foods.
  • The old 0.8 g/kg target was about avoiding decline, not thriving.
  • Better guidance means raising protein while steering people away from processed protein-branded foods.

References

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 6 days ago

If you view everything politically... you will see everything has politics in it, but that doesn't diminished the value in data.

And if you don't trust the US, here are other options:

Country Protein target source
United States 1.2–1.6 g/kg/day Dietary Guidelines for Americans, 2025–2030
Denmark 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day for older adults Nordic Nutrition Recommendations 2023
Finland 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day for older adults Nordic Nutrition Recommendations 2023
Iceland 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day for older adults Nordic Nutrition Recommendations 2023
Norway 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day for older adults Nordic Nutrition Recommendations 2023
Sweden 1.2–1.5 g/kg/day for older adults Nordic Nutrition Recommendations 2023
Singapore 1.2 g/kg/day for age 50+ National Nutrition Survey 2019, Health Promotion Board
Taiwan 1.2 g/kg/day for seniors over 80 Dietary Reference Intakes, Eighth Edition — Health Promotion Administration
Australia 1.07 g/kg/day for men >70 Nutrient Reference Values for Australia and New Zealand — Protein
New Zealand 1.07 g/kg/day for men >70 Nutrient Reference Values for Australia and New Zealand

If we dig into the US dietary guidelines - https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf we can see their rational: Page 56 - The Scientific Foundation for the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, 2025–2030, Chapter 6 -

he current Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein—0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight per day—was established to prevent deficiency based on nitrogen-balance data. It represents the lowest intake that maintains equilibrium in most healthy adults but does not reflect the intake required to maintain optimal muscle mass or metabolic function under all conditions. 237 The Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range (AMDR) defines the proportion of total energy that can be derived from protein while supporting nutrient adequacy and reducing chronic-disease risk. For adults, the AMDR is 10–35% of total energy. In practice, the RDA and AMDR serve complementary purposes: The RDA prevents deficiency (e.g., preventing loss of lean body mass or negative nitrogen balance), while the AMDR identifies a range of intakes compatible with health and nutrient adequacy.237 U.S. adults consume on average about 1 g/kg/day, 133 or roughly 15% of total energy, placing the average intake near the midpoint of the AMDR—suggesting that deficiency is rare. 238 The remaining question is whether protein intakes moderately above the RDA offer measurable advantages for body composition or metabolic health. The following section summarizes evidence from randomized controlled feeding trials addressing this question

It's a worthwhile read.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 6 days ago

to be fair, almost all the data and interventions are done on high carbohydrate populations, so in a ketogenic context the protein benefit may be higher at lower doses.

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