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Federation has just solidified the fact that there is no saving the West (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 year ago by christiansocialist@hexbear.net to c/politics@hexbear.net

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From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Eh, this take is axiomatically unacceptable to me. Regardless of how absurd and hopeless it feels like achieving our aims in Western 'democracies' (and boy howdy does it feel absurd and hopeless), the abandonment of it is a tacit admission that billions of people are gonna need to die in rather catastrophic fashions before we get anywhere. Which, like I said, is a no go for me.

[-] FakeNewsForDogs@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I always think of that Camus bit. One must imagine sysiphus happy. The prospect of revolution in the core is 100% absurd, but what the fuck else you gonna do? Give up?

[-] satori@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

that's more or less gramsci's revolutionary optimism take. sometimes you know that you're not going to accomplish anything, but you also feel compelled to do something. so you compartmentalize and try to hold on to both at once: pessimism of intellect because you can't do anything without some guidance from theory (which is blinking "you're fucked" in 700pt impact) and optimism of will because will is what's driving us to action in the first place :schopenhauer-grimace:

notably this does not allow one to "axiomatically" reject the reality of the situation, it's more just cope to help us stay sane in modernity