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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's not Reddit. I know quite a few people who seem to think anyone will agree with them if they just explain it properly.

Because it is entirely impossible for someone to disagree with them, so if you don't hold the same opinion, it's because you don't understand things well enough.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is intrinsic to idealist thinking. Liberals literally think history is a struggle of ideas and the most correct ones will win if everyone just sits down and thinks about it.

[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

They would! Unfortunately, that's not how humans work. Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy's stuff?

And if you're not good at thinking, how are you supposed to know when the guy you're sitting down with isn't just bullshitting you?

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy’s stuff?

The liberal would probably say something like "the social contract prevents this kind of behavior, enlightenment thinking, etc." The materialist would point out that behavior is exactly what society is organized around, because we have mutually exclusive class interests with the people doing the taking.

[-] Jaycifer@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

What do you think idealism and materialism mean when you use them?

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Broadly, here's the wikipedia page. In the context of categorizing political philosophies, Idealism is the belief that human development and conflict is a conflict between ideas, as opposed to physical reality. You may see this framed as "great men and their ideas".

Materialism on the other hand holds that human development is a product of material conditions, specifically around ones relationship with the mode of production.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, sometimes you just gotta kill those who disagree.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] petrol_sniff_king 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're clearly baiting something.

Haven't you ever heard the saying that it's difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it?

This alone should tell you that you sometimes need more than just ideas. Like, sometimes you need to cut their salary.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 3 points 2 weeks ago

I stopped thinking this way when I realized why the tortoise wins the race and not the hare. People often just... don't do things they should do, even when they're aware of their responsibilities, and understand how easy it would be. Like reassessing your beliefs when confronted with a fact you can't argue with - it's easy to do, but people just... don't. This just didn't click for me. For decades I thought everyone would naturally have the motivation to do something simple, maybe not right away, but eventually.

Slow and steady wins the race not because it's better than being quick and nimble, but because the person who can do it effortlessly knows how easy it would be, and puts it off to the point where it never gets done. So the person who gets off their ass and gets things done will win even if they're slow. The motivation to do things is more important than the skill to do them easily.

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