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Three wolves and six goats are discussing what to have for dinner. One courageous goat makes an impassioned case: “We should put it to a vote!” The other goats fear for his life, but surprisingly, the wolves acquiesce. But when everyone is preparing to vote, the wolves take three of the goats aside. “Vote with us to make the other three goats dinner,” they threaten. “Otherwise, vote or no vote, we’ll eat you.” The other three goats are shocked by the outcome of the election: a majority, including their comrades, has voted for them to be killed and eaten. They protest in outrage and terror, but the goat who first suggested the vote rebukes them: “Just be thankful this is a democracy! At least we got to have a say!”

-Crimethinc

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[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why not? I think it is a very good distinction to make, they are two opposite stances. One of rebellion and one of complacency.

[-] jwiggler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, I don't think you'd be able to parse through the intentions of non-voters in such a way. A non-voter may be a protest non-voter, a non-voter who thinks their vote is worth nothing, a non-voter who was actually unable to vote, or a non-voter who thinks the two candidates are functionally the same for them, or any and all other reasons for non-voting. Just because a non-voter may not view their non-vote as a protest non-vote, doesn't mean they don't give a fuck and are okay with whatever outcome, is my overall point.

With that said, I don't think a protest non-vote is the opposite of a complacent non-vote. Functionally they're the same. I guess if you wanted to judge a person by their non-voting intentions, you could do something like that. But I'm not sure its worth the time.

I guess its worth noting that even though I agree with the sentiment of the meme and the goat story, it doesn't map 1:1 in the real world. I don't think someone is necessarily foolish to vote, for example. I did. But generally I agree with Henry David Thoreau when it comes down to it:

All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or back gammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the majority. Its obli­gation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.”

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Exactly, since my protest non vote is indistinguishable from all the other non votes I don't think it is a useful way to protest. I'd prefer to have my voice heard even if faintly and easily ignored. Where I live, the best option right now is to cast an invalid vote, they make it to the final statistics and don't go to any candidate unlike the blank votes, that get proportionately distributed.

[-] jwiggler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

I gotta get back to you tomorrow more in depth but on the whole I agree that a single protest non vote is practically useless

But I also think that an invalid/inconsequential legitimizing vote may be more harmful than good...

Course the same could be said for protest votes, see: previous US election

I gotta think about it more

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