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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

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[-] tuga@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

they are millions of real people whose lives have now been RUINED because of the war.

They're only going to start becoming less ruined once they accept that they have to negotiate.

Yes, of course, a negotiated solution will be necessary. We're in a frozen conflict because the 'meta' of modern warfare is extremely defence heavy, it seems. Once a modern, rich army is entrenched, war-of-manoeuvre is ineffective. You have to grind them down to a pulp before you yourself are turned to dust. Neither side has the capabilities to make serious gains anymore, at least for now, and neither are visibly close to any real exhaustion.

The problem is the Ukrainian state, even if its officials wanted to negotiate, has this and that structural liability preventing it from viably doing so. A large base of the population who still take a maximalist position, a strong element of the far-right in the military that could take over and kill Zelensky for being a Russian-speaking Jew traitor if he negotiates seriously, an economy and military becoming increasingly integrated into western capital circuits whose state leadership is pushing you to fight on (and you want to), and the fact that Russia itself is not offering any meaningful concessions whatsoever anymore.

Peace is a long way off. It's not easy to change any of these factors, and it'll be a while before the mutually hurting stalemate starts to change peoples' minds because the cost of non-victory is so high for both the Russian and Ukrainian leadership, and for large chunks of the Ukrainian population for whom their very national identity and being is torn asunder, given the massive importance of territory to all national mythologies.

It is sad but I do not see any real chance of peace even if Zelensky woke up tomorrow and wanted it more than anything in the world.

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