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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

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[-] YourFavoriteFed@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What I don't get is why the GOP is siding with Russia? I'm dumb, shouldn't they be supporting Ukraine?

[-] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What do you mean? Trump was the one who resumed arming the Azov after it was stopped during the Obama administration. They are all on the same page, and Trump is far from clean when it comes to Ukraine. The only reason for the opposition comes from the fact that they are now the opposition and the Dems are in charge. If the GOP wins it will still be the same, maybe less fanatical about it because Biden is dead set on setting the world on fire.

[-] YourFavoriteFed@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What the hell did I even do in a past life where I am imprisoned in this reincarnation to only watch in a world run by psychopathic nihilists? Even much of my fellow man are selective nihilists, they know nazism is wrong, but they support it anyways because it's "funny".

farnsworth

[-] Kaisen@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

What the hell did I even do in a past life where I am imprisoned in this reincarnation to only watch in a world run by psychopathic nihilists?

You invented raisin biscuits.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

jesse-wtf raisin biscuits are delicious

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Hexbear raisin biscuit struggle sessions will be the next big thing

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

can't wait for a 1.5k comment thread about raisin biscuits

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Is this some kind of teaboo thing? Raisins are good in Biscut’s

[-] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

The other reasons people listed aren't wrong. But I think primarily it is political opportunism, which is true of every bourgeois politicians anyway. In that sense it is unsurprising.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Plus there isn't a coherent anti war stance in the mainstream. There's zero to no risk of this escalating to let's actually stop the war. It's just the war is being mismanaged and money spent badly. Not life inherently has value

[-] tuga@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

They're not, republicans have supported every Ukraine bill so far have they not?

[-] Redcat@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For two reasons. The standard cause is Republican detraction from the sitting president. Americans tend to align in favor of wars on partisan terms. Republicans favored Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats favored Syria and Libya. So it all amounts to Liberal infighting. If the president is on the other side of the aisle your guys, your media people, and your grifters get to pretend to be competent realists, shepherds of american reputation, or even anti-war activists. But it's all an illusion. One of the ways Trump fucked Hillary over was due to her record voting for the Iraq War, and then leading the wars in Syria and Libya. Things that she was always quite proud of. Trump might even genuinely believe that Iraq and Libya and so on were stupid. By and large however Americans are not an anti-war culture. So the actual impulse isn't so much 'waging war is bad', but 'waging this war in this way was bad'.

The more complex issue at hand is that far right grifters online tend to see Russia as a means to get China. In their perfect world the United States would ally with Russia and integrate it into it's world order as a means to encircle and destroy the 'communist Chinese'. That is because Russia is idealized as a neo-conservative, hyper religious promised land that hates feminism, lgbt+ rights, and so on.

One good example of this worldview is how back when Trump was elected far right circles online went on a nonstop frenzy of meme-making where Trump and Putin would ally to invade Turkey and genocide all the muslims from 'Constantinople'. In that case it was less about China and more about destroying the 2000s-2010s boogeyman of, well, every muslim in the world.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

They're kinda divided on the issue between the establishment neocons and the MAGA faction

[-] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Materially, there are a lot of ties between Russian capital and right-wing American think tanks which support the GOP. But I doubt it’s that nuanced for most Republican politicians. I think, for the most part, being opposed to whatever the Democrats want on a hot button topic is more than enough reason for them to be pro-Russia.

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