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What's wrong with hating landlords?
Calling for execution of anyone seems a bit extreme to me.
Gotta start somewhere.
That's not my first typical go to personally
Taxing, regulation, confiscation are all places we could start from that won't create the problem of having to erase parts of our history so we can live with it.
Probably not by whipping out the guillotine. There's a few reasonable steps before that.
This is why our rights are constantly being eroded.
I think we've taken a number of reasonable steps over the last 200 years.
No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.
It is interesting that you conflate two things, like "no violence" (ignoring the violence that landlords, yes even small ones, do) and then also having the urge to defend and discriminate landlords with good ones implicitly not beeing greedy and single families. However what you wish for in the world is not what I hear when I go to the pub on the corner, there I will hear calls for violence against quite a few groups, trans people, women, minorities, marginalized, unhoused, politicians, leftists, antifascists, activistsm BIPoCs, neurodivergent, unhoused, etc. etc. plenty of times and fast.
I just wish people like you would try to enforce your "no violence" rules in real life as openly as you do it here. Of course I would also urge you to see violence in denying people healthcare or housing, education, food etc, too.
Man sounds like you should move if you hear people threatening violence regularly against all those groups at your local pub
Are we actually talking about actual bodily harm or is this a new made up definition you just pulled out of your ass
I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with pull sit
I'd argue that landlords of all types are backed by the violence of the state. That a lord or lady doesn't themselves toss you out and drag you off to jail isn't really a meaningful distinction to the person being forcibly removed from their home.
The funny part is that in one breathe you utter the fallacy to your own argument. Being forcibly removed from whose home again?
The one you paid the mortgage, down-payment, continuing maintenance, property taxes? Cause if that describes your home- guess what- you are a homeowner and cant be forced out of your home. If that's not describing the house you are living in... you are a tenant and market conditions dictate what the rent will be. Nobody is going to let to you at a loss.
So whatever reason you have for not being a homeowner means SOMEONE ELSE has to provide a home for you to live in. Which no one is going to just give you for free.
Too bad home and house are different words, though I understand they do sound the same.
So. You just didn't understand the point that you don't own it? If you bothered to read I also made the distinction.
Look, I can tell you're really trying, you seem really excited. But honestly it feels pointless and a little sad arguing with you. Private and personal ownership are related but different, id maybe start there if you wanted to debate the merits of each.
I hope you enjoy your time on here still
Even Quine, Russel and Asimov wouldn't talk with them, as they are ignorant and actively anti-intellectual. So I think with more modern conceptions like private and personal properties (even the non-Marxist ones) you make the correct points, but before they are registered they are already strolling around pigeons playing chess.
Yes I'm sure it's sad- everyone knows I'm right and the point is valid so there's nothing for you to really debate. Instead you are going to make yourself feel better by acting smugly superior rather than actually addressing the argument itself. Again- yes very sad.
Read up on the concepts of ownership, property, belongings, usage etc. you have a French/Roman tradition for millenia which discriminates those rights. That you are uneducated is hardly archomrade's fault.
You also ignore the monopoly of violence which is the state's and of course there is usage of violence even if you argue it is moral or can be legal. To think what legal is moral and what is legal is without violence would support genocides, colonialist murder of millions, their expropriation of land, goods, and children and legitimize atrocities of ultra nationalist governments.
The argument in short is: To ask yourself what you need to know to understand archomrade's points.
Omg. Pseudo-intellect is the worst intellect. The one thing you are right about- there is definitely no point arguing with you. I'd advise making something yourself and then trying to apply your principles when someone tells you what you can and can't do with it because they believe it's immoral.
I see, you have never visited an institute of higher learning from the inside. Even reactionaries like Carl Schmitt would agree with my sentence, however you lack the political and sociological education to understand that. In short: Read up on violence and ask your friends who studied what violence means, especially how violence and monopoly on violence into the inner and into the outer works, ask what Weber's definition was, too.
I would like the mods to ban/defederate with this user, they break civility quite a bit.
In Berlin the stock exchange listed property companies own more than 20% of the flats, big corporations/large private investors own more than 20%, too, then there are smaller still very profit oriented companies, as well as smaller investors, basically 50-60% of all flats (and that amounts to more than 90% of all newly let out flats) are controlled by them, which means that to focus on small landlords is pretty irrelevant. Give me a specific city and specific ownership structure (which works well in some European countries in which plot information, company information and sometimes individual income information are online and open).
"Many" in small landlords means too few to have market price changing effects. Even small landlords do take the worth increases of their plots which are related to things outside their control i.e. state investments, network effects etc. even the small ones take in renters so that the renters finance their mortgages. So they are not really different, though they don't have the economic power to influence politics as much and abuse the court systems as much.
Nothing's wrong with hating landlords. I hate landlords. Lots of people hate landlords. There's a difference between calling for economic reform and calling for mass executions.
I support the move of the admins, but of the points they made, this point was the one that I was like "eh I mean, that's fine tho". People are tired and civil unrest is growing. I think it's fine to try and vent that even if it means punching (or shooting) up. It might be unsavoury, but broadly I don't have an issue with it in small amounts.
Dude's posting on c/canada, which is never going to do mass executions. It's a joke, even if it landed poorly.
some landlords might have to go but there are degrees. Speculating in housing is unethical, but a small land leech isn't some kulag who needs to be ended.
Also, property managers, really? They are just wage workers.
That you call them small land leeches really speaks for itself
That they are doing unproductive unwork? And shouldn't continue doing that? Sure.
Renting out a house is unethical, sure. But it doesn't warrant death. Their social and economic situation is NOTHING like the feudal and near feudal land lords of pre revolutionary China and Russia.
Also, here's your reminder that Mao's parents were landlords.
Who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and cannot do with my property that I built and/or bought with my own hands and work? Here's a reminder you are a moron. Hitler was an artist you brain dead loon. That you feel there's some mora failingl element to me making my home available to someone not completely for free just shows how far out in space you are. Get bent fucknugget.
To be clear you don't deserve to exploit others, and BUY is hugely different to BUILT.
But unless you join a rightist paramilitary death squad in defense of "your" property "rights", I'm not about to be cool with someone killing you.
How am i exploiting others again? By giving them a place to live because they can't afford to buy a place of their own? Someone is going to own the property- no one is going to build for free. At least with me they get a stable rent and a price a couple hundred below market. How the fuck do you make that balance out to "evil"
It's exploitation, because housing is a right that shouldn't be monetized.
But you do have cause to see this as fine. Exactly why hurting you is extremist, authoritarian nonsense in my book.
And don't worry too much. The whole idea of revolution is that no one should be unhoused. You'll have a place to go.
Just don't join a death squad.
great. so how are you planning on making that happen? by taking my property and giving it to someone? i mean i literally built my first house. so i can't keep it just because i'm not living in it? it should remain empty? what exactly is your plan man? Maybe YOU should not join a death squad?
If you don't live there, then -
Yes, housing should be held in common. Don't worry though. The whole idea of no one should be homeless or starve applies to you, too.
And if you live there, built it, should be yours. But rent is parasitic and has to go as a concept.
They are paraphrasing Adam Smith's core work there buddy.
And?
cough cough georgism cough cough
In isolation, that one just read like a tongue in cheek comment to me.