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[-] CelestialBunny 21 points 14 hours ago

Arguing over who would have genocided people the nicest is fucked up on soooooooo many levels.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

And it's also the inevitable conclusion of "lesser evil" politics.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Nobody does that. People are pointing out the choices US-American voters have

  • genocide and police violence
  • the above, but also probable descent into fascism, forcing women to give birth, sharp increase in violence against non-white people, trans people, etc.
  • ~~a revolution~~ no third option, the ground work hasn't been laid

So arguing against voting for the Democrat party in 2016, 2020, and 2024 did nothing but help fascism.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 34 minutes ago

Nobody does that.

People are pointing out the choices US-American voters have

  • genocide and police violence
  • the above, but also

That sounds a lot like, uh, doing that.

[-] CelestialBunny 3 points 3 hours ago

I think if you put the responsibility on the voters and not the coalition of politicians that claim to represent them, after a while that starts to seem less like advocacy and more like victim blaming.

As a trans person, the past decade has progressively gotten more terrifying. For me, a politician that is actively trying to harm me is not going to be meaningfully distinct from a politician that is not trying to shield me from the repressive harm that is already built into the system.

Furthermore, I do not think shaming people for taking a stance on genocide is going to win anyone over aside from people who support genocide. The Democrats may have handled things differently but that doesn't mean it'd be better for the Palestinians or the Middle East.

When a party won't stand up for marginalized people and victims of genocide how can they be trusted to defend anyone when in power? At a certain point you have to recognize the problem, even if you still vote for them. Voter shaming people who reject the harm won't fix it.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm German. At some point, the Nazi party changed the law to be able to do what they want. They were voted into a position where they were able to do that.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 minutes ago

They were voted into a position where they were able to do that.

Paul von Hindenburg who got elected in 1932 after winning support from the social democrats as a "lesser evil." Eight months later, Hindenburg appointed Hitler chancellor. A month after that, Hitler issued the Reichstag Fire Decree which suspended civil rights and allowed for detention without trial, which he turned on his political opponents.

And the lesson you want me to take from that is "voting for the lesser evil is effective at stopping fascism?"

[-] CelestialBunny 2 points 1 hour ago

Are you trying to use that as a dunk because when you actually live under oppression from fascists you REALLY need your opposition party to be effective. Harris winning in 2024 was never going to solve a problem that she was part of, it was only going to delay the inevitable and I can promise you that all of the anti-trans legislation and the pro-genocide action still would have actually happened. Or are you as unwilling to listen to a person that belongs to a scapegoated community as your ancestors were?

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