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World loses patience with Trump as war no longer just about Iran
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They talk like he didn't threaten to declare war on Europe just a few months ago to invade Greenland. The world has been fed up with his shit for a long time now.
Long past time to say it openly, but now is second best.
Well, most European leaders were pretty happy to support the Palestinian genocide (under Biden), the illegal kidnapping of a countries leader in Venezuela, and even were on board with Iran in the stages of the initial invasion. I know narratives change quickly but have we forgotten about all the "they killed 40k protesters" bull shit already? I swear people have the memory of a goldfish.
European (and most of the world's) leaders and media were justifying the invasion not long ago. They just did the "well, this should have been approved..." hand waving to give them a chance to fall back later if it went badly.
Well, it went badly. They aren't tired of his shit. They just pivot when his shit hits the fan. I don't see any of them calling for a release of the president of Venezuela or a coalition of the willing to put an end to the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel/America continues to enact.
If the price of oil wasn't going through the roof no one would care. It's why no one even mentions what America/Israel are doing to Lebanon right now.
Fuck America and its war. But if you truly believe the iranian regime didn't mass murder a lot of its citizens during the protests, you are either naive or blindly loyal towards anyone that is against the US.
If you believe it was 40k people and that it's at all relevant to the US invading than you're the one that's naive. If the US cared about people dying unjustifiably in other countries it would invade Israel and defund its own military afterwards.
We know that it was a lot. Might be 20k, might be 40k might be 60k. Either way, calling it "bullshit" is just fucked up.
Where did I say it justifies the war?
It's funny that right after this comment was made Trump literally just "leaked" that they had armed militia groups in Iran during the protest. Like, our government literally admitting to placing armed agitators into the protest.
Iran is its own sovereign state. It is up to the people of that state to be critical of their own government and have their own progress of civil rights movements. I am not Iranian. I don't live in Iran. It is my job as an American to critize the actions of my government.
A government that has placed nearly 50 years of sanctions on a state that dared to overthrow Americas puppet dictator. A government that helps to provoke violence so they can install another puppet for American oil interest. A government that is literally bombing civilians, water plants, and infrastructure to force it's will on another country.
If 10k people died or 10m people died it wouldn't change these facts. The actions of the US government are entirely unrelated to what crimes the Iranian government commits. They are ONLY used to justify their own worse crimes on the people of Iran.
Talking about it, as an American or western citizen, is just giving legitimacy to the crimes of our own country. It's the same as "Hamas kills gay people" used to legitimize the steps of genocide.
If you fall for these lies of the US caring about human rights it is just allowing the next step to be taken. Because they will always have some lie or reason to take that further step.
It is up to Iran and the Iranian people to bring justice to their own state. They will never be able to do that when someone like you in the west keeps falling for "There leaders are bad, so we must bomb ALL OF THEM"
And even if you don't agree with the second part. Repeating the first part over and over only gives legitimacy to the idea that "we have to do something". We don't. We aren't some moral actors. We (the USA) are selfish Imperialist that will only ever take actions in foreign countries to benefit ourselves.
So, it's just "bull shit" to even talk about it. The US will never take actions that are for the good of an already oppressed people. So when the US starts talking about how "oppressed" some other nations people are - your "bull shit" meter should be buzzing really fucking loud.
You are again heavily impliying that I think it justifies the war. It does not.
What kind of Horseshit is that? We can't mention the kid raping mullahs that kill their own citizens because they oppose US Imperialism?
Yes. Mentioning that plays no part in what you or I have control over. Iran is a sovereign state. Unless you are Iranian and living in Iran what purpose does it serve to focus on anything related to the internal problems of Iran? Seriously, what purpose does it serve? Tell me.
What purpose does mentioning "kid raping mullahs" serve? We have no influence over anything that happens in Iran. It is entirely irrelevant to the actions of our government too. They have no intention of doing anything about that. Our government literally protects pedophiles and has one serving as president.
I'm talking about the US and it's bull shit. That's what I'm talking about. That's all I've ever been talking about. Because it's the state that I can have influence on.
The only material purpose of mentioning that is to justify the actions of the US government in some way or another. Whether you personally think they are justified or not doesn't matter.
Mate, you mentioned "the 40k dead bullshit", not me. I simply pointed out that calling the murder of a large amount of civilians "bullshit", is a fucked up thing to do.
And are you seriously arguing that no one should mention anything about countries that they don't live in?
I'm not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?
What an absolutely lacking take.
Can you not realize why this comparison is stupid? Like, what do you think Imperialism means? Do you think comparing Iran (a victim of Imperialism) to the literal Imperialist superpower is reasonable? Literally every citizen of the world is touched by and impacted by US Imperialism. The same cannot be said for Iran. It rulers decisions literally didn't impact you or I until the US invaded.
This is like the people that don't understand patriarchy saying "swap the genders" to argue. It's ignoring the fundamental structures.
If you don't learn from this conversation. In a few months you'll be back here talking about how "Cuba is starving it's citizens" as the US prepares to invade there too. Good luck mate.
There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you're spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.
Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.
I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.
But hey, it's your choice to die on that hill.
How is what you're doing with "40k/20k protesters were killed" any different than the people that kept saying "Hamas throws gay people off of buildings" all throughout the Palestinian genocide.
I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as "bull shit" until after the fact?
Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it "bull shit"?
After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: "Hamas actually does oppress gay people". Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was "bull shit".
"Iran really did kill some protesters"
Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: "bull shit" that never had anything to do with the invasion.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.
You know what, we came to a point at which we both kind of agree. How about we leave it at that. Have a good one.
Let me know when you start repeating "Cuba is starving it's citizens" as the US starts that invasion next. Or whatever bull shit reason they use to for it that people like you will just repeat over and over.
Sure and you let me know at what point it is okey to mention the child raping mullahs that murdered thousands of their own people that you are so valiantly defending here. And when it stops being okey to call the deaths of thousands of civilians bullshit.
It's not about about mentioning it mate. It's about WHO you are mentioning it for. You're not mentioning it because you can help children. It's literally only something you know about because the people that want to bomb those same children told you about it so they can do the bombings. Not sure how many times I have to say that.
Friend, again, it was you that mentioned the deaths of protesters and called it bullshit. Not me. Not sure how many times I have to say that. None of your comments serve any purpose either, so why are you writing them? And we know about the civilian deaths because of Iranians reporting them before the internet was turned off and not because it's some baseless claim from the US. You are making a lot of effort to excuse your belittling of civilian deaths.
I'll give it one more try. Because you are missing something fundamental and I think its why you keep repeating a position I don't hold. You're stuck on it.
Do you understand that I'm talking about forming my morality based on the material outcome of my actions? Let me know if you don't understand this last sentence. It's really important. Because you are stuck on idealism and judging my opinion based purely on the moral idea.
You seem to be stuck in thinking of morality as separate from the material world. That's why you think I'm "belittling deaths" when I am not.
Maybe I can ask you a question to help you understand how I'm thinking. Because of you're this deep into a conversation Id guess you're tired of just saying "you are belittling deaths" over and over.
What is something I can reasonably do that will help the children you keep mentioning?
I care about the material outcomes of my actions. Not about being "considered moral" as an idea.
So, I, as someone that lives in the western world would like to know. What is something I can do? And, most importantly, what is the material outcome for the children in Iran based on that action.
An action can be something I physically go do. Or it can be as simple as an idea or position that I share with others.
Let me know. But try to keep it realistic. I am not capable of abandoning my family and going to Iran, etc. Maybe, use your own situation as a means to answer this question. What can YOU do? And what is the material outcome of your action?
Oh sure, I bet there is a hugely positive 'material outcome' from calling the death of people bullshit, but hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to justify a shitty opinion.
All you had to say was something like:
"My bad, should've worded it differently. I meant it doesn't justify the war"
or something of the sort. At this point it would've been better to not say anything.
But alas, here we are.
Again, I never called their deaths "bull shit". I called the use of their deaths as justification for invasion and the inflation of numbers (we have no way of verifying) "bull shit".
I didn't mistype it. I wrote it exactly in that context of criticism of the media.
I'd appreciate it if you answered my question from the previous comment. But, that would require you to think I guess. You only seem capable of reacting.
Nope, not again. This is the first time you actually clarified this. Why not do so from the start? Your original comment very much reads like you think the murder of protesters is an outright lie.
Instead you went of on a weird tirade about how no one should mention the crimes the Iranian regime has committed.
And no, I won't engage in your twisted attempt at using weird arguments about morality to make people that mention these crimes somehow supporters of the US invasion.
Your reading comprehension skills are that of a child. God this is a waste of time.
lmao the arrogance.
The big question is what, if anything, can or will they do about it.