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submitted 2 days ago by ryujin470@fedia.io to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Their tagline is literally 'you buy it, you own it'. But does it really grants ownership?

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[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Steam states in their EULA that your purchase a license to play the game but not own it

[-] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago
[-] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago
[-] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago
[-] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago

their eula does not state that you do not own the games.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 2 days ago

Section 2.1:

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on. You have the personal right to use GOG content and services. This right can be suspended or stopped by us in some situations.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

"GOG services" and "GOG content" are things like the GOG website itself, not the copies of the games you buy from it.

GOG suspending your right to use their service is analogous to a brick-and-mortar store trespassing and blacklisting you: in the same way that getting trespassed from GameStop doesn't entitle them to break into your house and confiscate everything you've previously purchased from them, getting kicked off GOG does not and legally cannot invalidate your ownership -- not "licensing," ownership -- of the games you've previously purchased from them.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

1.3 Also, when we're talking about games, in-game content, virtual items or currency or GOG videos or other content or services which you can purchase or access via GOG services, we’ll just call them “GOG games” or “GOG videos” respectively and when we talk about them all together they are “GOG content”.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay then, I guess GoG is lying the same way Steam is after all. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but concede that I was wrong.

"Licensed not sold" is still bunk, though. They do not have the right to confiscate games you've previously purchased, no matter what their fucking User Agreement claims.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 2 days ago

Their user agreement doesn't claim they can remove files from your computer. If your account gets suspended you no longer have access to the game you paid for unless you have previously downloaded and stored it.

I bought Witcher 3 on GOG, but I don't currently have it saved anywhere. If GOG suspends my account, I can no longer access the content I paid for

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Their user agreement doesn’t claim they can remove files from your computer.

Then GOG must be restricting access only to the service itself, not to your property, despite what the text says.

If GOG suspends my account, I can no longer access the content I paid for

You still own the copy of the game; it's hardly GOG's fault if you lost or destroyed it.

Expecting to have continued access to re-download indefinitely is like buying a physical book from a brick-and-mortar store, throwing it in the trash, and then expecting to be allowed to swing back by the place later to grab another copy off the shelf. Sure, it'd be nice if the store let you do that, but it would be silly to claim that not letting you do it somehow meant you never owned your copy of the book.

[-] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

What part of “license” is so hard for you to comprehend?

[-] tyler@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

https://programming.dev/comment/23071365

This isn’t quite right. You do not own the game, you are purchasing a non-transferable license, bound to you:

2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use.

3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else.

It’s simply a boon that they entitle you to download DRM-free binaries but technically, if that license is revoked by GOG, you are not legally entitled to use or store that binary anymore. Practically, however, is a different story.

Source

[-] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago

points two and three are for different things.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 2 days ago

No they aren't. Both mean that you don't own the game.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're right that they aren't for different things, but neither mean that you don't own the game. Both are referring to your continued permission to access your GOG account itself.

[-] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Since when is a license owning the game?

It’s right there, unless you make up new terms or ignore the established legal terms.

They don’t offer games to buy, only licenses, so how can you ever own the game…?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Stop taking legal advice from your adversary!

I can claim that this comment is "licensed" such that, by reading it, you now owe me a million dollars. But does that make it true? If you really think so, PM me to arrange payment!

"Since when is a license owning the game" is a nonsensical question, because the entire concept of the "license" is fiction to begin with. (In the context we're talking about, of goods as opposed to services.)

Buying a copy of a copyrighted work has always meant buying a copy, from the dawn of copyright law straight through to today. It has never legitimately meant "licensing" anything.

  • You buy a paper book, you own that copy of the book.

  • You buy a music record, you own that copy of the music.

  • You buy a DVD of a movie, you own that copy of the movie.

You have always owned the individual copy (not copyright; that's a different thing) of the work you purchased. It has never been different than that.

The only reason copyright cartel shysters have weaseled their way in to pretend otherwise, is that (unlike those other forms of media), you have to copy the software to at least your RAM, if not your hard drive, in order to use it, rather than consuming it directly. Because of this, the shysters claim that you need some kind of additional permission to actually use the software you bought, instead of just admiring your shiny plastic coaster.

But guess what! That incidental copying has a specific carve-out that makes it not count for the purpose of invoking copyright law. In reality, there is nothing to license. The "EULAs" grant you no 'consideration' and thus fail to qualify as a valid contract. You own the individual copy of the software just like you always did, with your books and your music and your movies.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 2 days ago

So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Cool.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Prove me wrong.

And do it by citing the law or the courts, not the adverse party.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your consideration is being able to access the game.

Edit: I brain farted, and think I mixed up terms. Aleatory contracts are still valid, the issuers just have to withstand higher scrutiny if challenged.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your consideration is being able to access the game.

No it isn't; the purchase itself granted that right.

(At least, to obtain the copy once, because otherwise you're not getting what you paid for. You could argue that some license offers continued access to re-download -- i.e. access to the GOG service, not the copy of the game itself -- but it would be absurd to argue that it can hold hostage your use of that first copy you already downloaded.)

What else ya got?

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

And these are the terms of use for that purchase. If I sign a contract with a party magician for them to come and perform, and then violate the terms of the contract, they can stop providing their services without being in breach of contract. If those terms include that you don’t later publish videos of them on social media and then you do, you open yourself up to being sued, even though after the service has been provided you are no longer receiving an active benefit.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And these are the terms of use for that purchase.

That sequence of words is literally nonsense. There is no such thing as "terms of use for that purchase;" it is simply not a concept that exists.

What part of the Doctrine of First Sale do you not understand?

If I sign a contract with a party magician for them to come and perform, and then violate the terms of the contract, they can stop providing their services without being in breach of contract.

We're talking about goods here, not services. A magician is providing a service, not a good, and is therefore irrelevant.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I’m not sure how you’re getting to those conclusions, but it doesn’t make sense to me and clearly my conclusions aren’t making sense to you. Have a good night.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

lol no they aren’t.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

EULAs are bunk. Quit buying the lies of copyright cartel shysters.

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