ooh the gym sub is quite awful, they act as if people losing their weight and getting jacked suddenly is not due to steroids and act as long "arduous battle" they do ban for mentioning PEDs too, bitch you people cheated your way to that body aka shortcut, instead of taking months-years to get that body. one post i came across, the guy was very overweight and suddenly hes lean and all buff from roids/peds and act as if he got that all on his own journey, i think it took less than a year for that. i can see 20 somethings getting a body similar to that if they already thin and workout all the time. but a 300+lb going to a muscular body in that time.