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Two of us, Ellsberg and Noam Chomsky, testified for Assange at his extradition hearing last year. In Ellsberg's words then, the WikiLeaks publications that Assange is being charged for are "amongst the most important truthful revelations of hidden criminal state behavior that have been made public in U.S. history." The American public "needed urgently to know what was being done routinely in their name, and there was no other way for them to learn it than by unauthorized disclosure."

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[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Assange was the tool of a foreign intelligence service who salted WikiLeaks with disinformation harmful to national interests. I believe the term of art is "useful idiot".

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

He's not an idiot, just a foreign agent.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Do you have evidence for that or should I don the proverbial tinfoil hat?

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for the link, it was an interesting read. Allow me to unpack your previous statement for the sake of argument.

Assange was the tool of a foreign intelligence service

No argument here. Wittingly or not, he was used as a destabilizing force by Russia, and that is corroborated in the article.

who salted WikiLeaks with disinformation

Disinformation implies he shared falsehoods. However, the article and the state both treat his disclosures not as fabrications, but as factual. This is what I was really looking for in terms of evidence. It would indeed be quite a revelation to me.

harmful to national interests.

That is a matter of opinion. Here's another take: The crimes the state committed were harmful to the nation. Exposing them was beneficial as it allows the nation to set the state back on the right path.

I believe the term of art is "useful idiot".

That might very well be the case. One could make the case that Assange was merely working with the information he got. It just turned out the information was one sided because one side had external help in espionage resources. The article is ambiguous about it but does tend to put him in a less innocent light though.

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

The problem with a salted archive is that some percentage of it is true - let's say 99.9%. So if you start to verify material it all appears to be factually correct. The agency will slip some very damaging falsehoods into a mountain of embarrassing but true material. The accurate material "cleans" the falsehoods. Welcome to WikiLeaks, and probably Hunter Biden's laptop as well.

Part of the game is that the salting doesn't get acknowledged. You don't want them to know what you know and by revealing what's false you implicitly verify the remaining material. You can game this out by slipping in a couple of whoppers and some subtle lies. The whoppers get denied implying the subtle ones are true. So not revealing the salt is the equivalent of " no comment".

There used to be more chatter about Assange and the intelligence community but it has gone quiet for the last few years. That alone might suggest something is up.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/mar/18/wikileaks-russias-useful-idiot-its-agent-influence/

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Another great article, thank you.

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