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submitted 4 days ago by sveltecider@lemmy.ca to c/autism@lemmy.world

What the title says. Well intentioned, often other "neurodivergent" people look at your life, your autism, and say: "you should mask harder."

For example, I accidentally said something that offended a friend. Won't go into detail, but it was me unintentionally coming off as arrogant, not something bad like a slur or hate speech.

I asked for advice (elsewhere) and the advice was universally, "you see, NT avoid this topic at all costs. Going forwards, know it is best to avoid this topic."

But isn't this just saying "mask harder and be more palatable for everyone else"?

Every piece of "autism advice" I see even in "neurodivergent friendly" communities is basically "how to be less autistic."

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[-] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Where's the line? I'm rude because I don't pick up on social cues....that's literally what I am diagnosed with.

"I think depressed people just need to be happier to avoid depression"

[-] Beebabe@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

Learning how to pick up social cues in a rote way instead of an imitative way, essentially, is a treatment. I mean, I know it’s hard to pick up on norms and mores naturalistically with autism, and we should all be graceful and respectful of that as well. Just you know, if someone says something is rude or hurtful, that’s not an attack on your inability to judge that social situation by default…it is information. Even NT do impose expectations on other NT behavior across settings that is sometimes incomprehensible.

[-] Atlas_@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Specifically, that's a Symptomatic treatment. It doesn't fix autism or make you less autistic, but can sometimes help you meet life goals.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 days ago

There is no objective line, but if your actions result in your friends getting hurt that is sad, and if your friends decide not to hang out with you because of the chances you'll hurt them again that is a fair choice. You may choose not to put effort into understanding other people's perspectives but this means most people with healthy boundaries will either get hurt at some point and leave, or recognize that is bound to happen and leave pre-emptively. So if you want friends that treat you right or a partner who isn't miserable, then you will have to put effort into understanding other people's perspectives.

Your friend was offended for a reason. People assume you care why or how to avoid it because that is a necessary part of any healthy friendship. If you do not care, then I hope your friend finds friends that do care so they, at least, can be happy. I also hope that you have friends and you are happy, but an unhealthy friendship does not make you happy and it barely counts as friendship anyway.

[-] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

The situation really wasn’t as bad as I made it out to be. I was just talking about how I was doing in a course and my friend got jealous because I am doing much better. I didn’t brag, just like “Oh I did great on the exam”

But apparently GPA and pay are two things you can never discuss with anyone….for some reason.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

Ah, well, so as you know we live in an exploitative capitalist hellscape where our humanity is ground down until we're depressed cogs in a machine that doesn't even produce profit efficiently but which makes those that own the machine feel good because they have so many people under their control. But if you discuss this in public then those that own the machine or the sycophants who want to win their favor to end up in a better position in the machine get mad at you, so most people have resigned themselves to spending most of their lives being a cog in the machine.

This results in two emotional dynamics. Firstly, people are afraid of angering the sycophants of the machine. Secondly, people want to keep some parts of themselves safe from the scouring force of the machine that seeks to make them smoother-running cogs.

The first is mostly important when discussing pay in a like-for-like situation. If you discuss your pay with coworkers in the same company or the same job title, that undermines the power of the employer, so the employer wants to find ways to punish that. That sort of punishment is illegal in many jurisdictions, but it's hard to enforce and hard to prove, so effectively employers can get away with a lot of punishment. This means that employees that fear that punishment will avoid discussing pay and get mad at you if you do, which would risk implicating them.

The second is more relevant when it comes with the situation with your friend. Exam results are a feedback mechanism to turn you into a cog in the machine. You learn to think in the way they want their cogs to think, and people that learn to think that way most efficiently get put in positions where their thinking perpetuates the system of oppression. And like any good feedback mechanism, they are enforced with rewards and punishments and the promise of more rewards for continued loyalty.

People who struggle at tests are expected to sacrifice their humanity to score better. To give up social development, physical fitness, joy, friendships, exploration, curiosity, time with family and love to work for a system that will grind their souls into dust if they let it. Yet every system and most adults in their environment tell them this is the right choice, and there are usually-false promises of financial security and a roof over your head and respite if only you work a little harder for the next little while. This makes it all so tempting to ignore your own boundaries.

Most people give in to the system partially, becoming cogs for most of their lives, but they still know what is being taken from them and they still try to hold on to what humanity they can. They carry that resentment even if they never consciously thought about the structural issues that produced it or the greater political context. And then you come in with your better grade, proudly announcing that you're the physical embodiment of what the system blames them for not being. So of course they feel envy and resentment towards you, because in that moment you're doing what the system wants you to do to scrape away a little more of their humanity.

And this same logic of resentment applies to comparing pay in an unlike situation.

This means that if you want your relationship with your friends to be healthy, beneficial, and enjoyable for the both of you, you only talk about pay or grades in a carefully established emotionally and socially safe zone that mitigates much of the harm that would occur if you just talked about it when it seems relevant.

Neurotypicals of course communicate most of this through emotional subtext. A neurotypical who says "You should never discuss grades with anyone" means that you need such a safe zone. They might establish such a safe zone through a display of shame and vulnerability and seeing whether their conversational partner fulfills their part in the social ritual by making assurances and offering warm support. Even without the neurotypical subtext display, creating a safe zone is necessary, though; everyone has feelings and mental schemas.

this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2026
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