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A display is only as good, as the OS running it. Otherwise you're seeing random, usually oversaturated shizzle.
macOS is still the only, properly color-managed OS. (Usually running P3 displays)
If you have a windows laptop with a display that's not sRGB, you're in for some "fun", if you're doing any sort of creative or design work.
Edit: I'm getting downvoted because "apple bad >:("?
No, you're getting downvoted because you can buy non-apple laptops with quality screens. Also, you could just plug in a cheap monitor that is properly calibrated, or buy a nicer color correct monitor. Apple doesn't have monopoly on color.
This is false, it looks like you haven't read or understood my comment.
Sorry. You're right. I lied. It's impossible to buy color calibrated monitors. https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-PD2500Q-2560x1440-Monitor-Calibrated/dp/B0749RC47S/ And it's impossible to calibrate the color of any other monitors. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=color+calibration&crid=1DCVNFPWWTQR2&sprefix=color+calibrat%2Caps%2C132&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_14
Apple does have a monoply on color. Can't wait to get their VR headset so I can experience the true color of reality. You've really opened my eyes to the false color life I was living.
My god, if you're that clueless, just shut the fuck up.
The person is asking what laptops have "good screens" whatever that means, and you're offering an external monitor?
Do you understand what color-management is, and that calibration is means jack shit if the OS doesn't properly manage color?
"monopoly on color". Christ almighty, I'd be embarrassed to spew such nonsense, even anonymously.
Couldn't find a chart for this year, but here is one for 2020... https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Notebooks-with-the-Best-Displays.120541.0.html
Spoiler, MacBooks don't even make the top 10. As for my "apple doesn't have a monoply on color" comments. You're the one insinuating that it's impossible to get good color on any other platform, I just digested your meaning a bit. And yes, it is dumb, almost as dumb as asking why you are getting downvoted for repeating fanboi dribble based on Apple marketing department talking points.
Lmao. It seems like you're just ignoring the part you don't understand lol. As I said. A clueless parrot.
MacOS does know how to handle colours, I'll give 'em that.
I just have no idea if Windows does it better, worse, or the same.
Windows is not a color-managed OS. It only manages a few applications, like "Photos". The rest of color-management is done by separate applications, which is far from ideal.
Linux had a chance to match macOS with Wayland, but blew it by not taking in constructive criticism and letting their egos dictate the features.
Edit: If you're going for a Windows laptop, just don't get a laptop with a "wide-gamut" display. Go for a good sRGB screen and your life will be easier.
It just blows that everything Apple sells can only barely be repaired or upgraded, if at all.
I can replace pretty much any part of my current laptop fairly easily, and I'd love to have something like that again.
I don't use Apple products, simply because of their crappy ethics and questionable product design. But that means I suffer in my day-to-day work-life thing. That, and I need a good GPU for rendering.
Still, I'd 'hackintosh' everything and anything just because of color-management. :'(
Was it Framework who sells nicely repairable devices? Maybe I'll see if they have reasonably good screens, and use Adobe through a Windows VM. I'd prefer that over bare metal anyway.
I would hope that if I ever need a truly high end display, it's going to be an employer who pays for it. One can hope.
Frameworks are very nice, but I'm waiting for them to crystalize a bit.
That still is a problem on both Windows and Linux. No matter what gamut your screen is, if the OS just sends nonsense to it, it's just a colorful bestbuy "TV".
While Adobe products use their own color-management, you'll meet many problems in your day creative project management. And guess what, it's always your fault!
Is this what you are talking about?
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/auto-color-management/
OS level colour calibration and management, regardless of the app?
New feature in Windows 11 2022.
Yes.
BUT.
Can you turn it on?
As available as "full-self-driving-next-year". Planned for 23H2.
You have to be a "Windows insider" run beta-test version of windows, and set it up via .bat from github.
That being said, I am a "windows insider" and I do run their beta-test OS, and I still don't have that feature.
I'll believe it's released and tested, because the quality of my work directly depends on it.
It's also going to be available for 12th+ gen iGPUs only, which means that any laptop running a wider-gamut built-in-monitor with an older iGPU can get fucked.
I appreciate the 'gotcha' tone.
Hmm, fair.
There is also the colour profile system.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/about-color-management-2a2ed8fa-cf09-83c5-e55c-d1428519f616
I just tested it on my computer. Installed the "driver" for my monitor, which then loaded the correct profile for it (changing from the "generic PnP" driver/profile to one for my specific model).
It certainly changed the look of my monitor.
I'll have to test drive it a bit.
But I guess it's deeper than that, isn't it.
Like, if that sets the colour profile to sRGB, and I'm dealing with BT.2020... although that would be bonkers cause I don't think sRGB can represent BT.2020.
Color standards break my brain.
Your monitor has a very specific set of RGB lights that need a profile made for that specific monitor. Loading random profiles from the internet will result in incorrect colors in some areas. The one that comes with the driver is closest you can get without a calibrator.
The wcm in your link is the standard Windows Color Management which only works with a handful of windows Apps. Rest is a random mixture of unmanaged, locally managed, and Windows managed colors.
My advice is, it seems that you have an external display, set that to "sRGB" via the buttons on the monitor, and set the driver-installed profile to sRGB. If you have such options. This is the only way to get as close to "correct color" on Windows without much effort and worry about color management.