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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] Magnum@infosec.pub 35 points 2 days ago

That's why I left. Its such a weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff. Just ban everything and everyone you don't agree with. Also make it a collective punishment while we're at it...

[-] Salamence@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago

Im sorry how is making an instance vote a "weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff"? Or is authoritarism when someone does something you dont agree with?

[-] Magnum@infosec.pub 22 points 2 days ago

Go to their matrix channels, they're throwing around ACAB, generalizing people and if you don't support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide. There is no debate, there is no discussion its a hive that moves into a certain direction and if you don't you are an outcast. Words do still mean things and acting like you can't govern democratically and authoritarian at the same time makes no sense.

Also acting like every community on feddit.org is a genocide supporting shithole is just crazy. The fediverse lives from its interoperability across the knots. I am a grown ass adult, I don't need DB0 to make the moral decision for me with whom I can interact and with whom I can not. What I think is quite ironic, is the fact that even though the instance is "anarchistic", everyone is licking the boots of the governing authority pretty good. I guess you either die a hero or live long enough to become a power tripping bastard yourself.

[-] muelltonne@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

The issue starts beforehand. It's easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.

[-] thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

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[-] muelltonne@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago

Thanks for linking that, that proves my point. If you have banned all "pro-zionist users" (whatever that is), it is no surprise that the next vote for banning a "pro-zionist instance" will also go succeed. Let's have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that "pro-zionist instance"! Democracy at work!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

It's a good thing to ban Zionists, actually. Support for genocidal settler-colonialism is bad.

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Let’s have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that “pro-zionist instance”! Democracy at work!

Sure, I don't want to share space with people who want to welcome Zionazis.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

What a fascist take. Everyone who's not for us is against us.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

What if instead of republicans day dreaming about what a vote would look like without women's suffrage

We imagine what democracy would look like if we didn't allow fascists to vote

"These two are the same thing"

[-] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.

Except they are not banning "everybody on [their] instance who is not agreeing with [them]", they are banning Zionazis and their symps.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago

Just ban everything and everyone you don’t agree with.

They were specific about what they didn't agree with: Authoritarianism.

And if they don't want to tolerate guests from an instance that allows Zionism, then good. Any feddit.org members who think their admins' permissiveness is tolerable are complicit in the promotion of Zionism, even if they aren't intentionally complicit. Yes, hanging around with pro-genocide people should earn punishment, such as ostracization until they stop hanging around pro-genocide people. It's a social media account on the Fediverse, switching isn't difficult.

We did the same thing to Wolfballs, until their admin closed the instance because it was filled with literal neo-Nazis calling the admin a 'race-traitor'. Tolerating every belief is utopian, pointless and self-destructive.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Basically, when you tolerate the intolerant, tolerance dies. You need social rules to maintain the order, that means some beliefs need to be culled by kicking out or silencing those who are dangerous.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 days ago

It's authoritarian to do direct democracy? OK then, I guess words mean nothing anymore.

[-] Magnum@infosec.pub 8 points 2 days ago

The vote itself is not. This is not just about this single vote.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago

What is it about then?

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

The answers to https://mander.xyz/comment/25351806 address this pretty nicely.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 22 points 2 days ago

I don't particularly love db0 as a mainly hexbear user, but this is ridiculous. They did an absolutely gorgeous move by democratically voting to defed from Zionist instances, and you call that authoritarian. Defense against fascists is not authoritarian, it's literally the opposite.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 days ago

That's literally the best and fairest way to deal with that kind of stuff here. No risky permissivity, no manhunts / withchunts, no putting the onus on other people. db0 as an instance is weird for a lot of thigs, but honestly, compared to the rest of the world, not on that.