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Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is 'making Russia the enemy' - BBC News

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[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 months ago

1990-2013 I saw Russia as friendly'ish even when they fought in Chechnya etc.

2014-2021 wtf. maybe they are not so good? what's next?

2022- Russia is definitely the enemy

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I remember working in the early 2000s with Russian institutes and things were really good.

2008 was when I recall the first "wtf", in the war with Georgia.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

Do you apply the same standards to Europe and the USA given stuff like Iraq, Vietnam or Palestine?

[-] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Yes, what you got next?

US is very much in the friends, wtf, enemy pipeline. EU is not homogene, so your third grade gotchas does not work, kid

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago

USA is so much in the enemy pipeline that all EU countries except possibly Spain agreed to all Trump terms about NATO military expenditure and are proceeding to spend billions and billions in the USA military industrial complex.

EU is not homogeneous, thats why literally all countries except possibly Spain agreed to the military expenditure regardless of whether it's socdems, conservative Christians or far right in the government.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago

Most EU nations had militaries that were shrinking and on the verge of atrophy. They grow now only because Putin ordered the Invasion of Ukraine.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They grow now only because Putin ordered the Invasion of Ukraine

No, they grow because NATO imposed a 5% of GDP expenditure directed by Trump. This is literally coming from the USA.

It's untenable to say that Portugal and Poland coincidentally agreed to spend the same percentage of GDP on military because their governments independently made the decision based on fear of invasion by Russia.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago

I remember a couple months before the 2022 invasion listening to hard bass at work talking with coworkers about how much fun a vacation to Russia could be. Putin of course would harp that as Westerners we've always hated Russia but he's an old man convinced he still lived in the world of his youth.

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