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Man who threatened Biden shot dead in FBI raid in Utah (www.bbc.co.uk)
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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

So like it's cool just to murder people exercising their free speech on the internet?

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Freedom of speech, not freedom from the consequences of said speech. It's explicitly illegal to do what this smoothbrain did.

He wasn't killed for saying anything. Sounds like this mouthbreather decided to suicide by cop when they confronted him. I'm no fan of cops, but FAFO in this case

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What law did he break? Please cite it.

Also if the consequences of "free speech" is being summarily executed or jailed, that isn't really free speech is it? Do i have the freedom to rob a bank, but not the freedom from the consequences of robbing the bank?

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

in north korea, etc etc

[-] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not, threatening to murder someone isn't protected by free speech.

[-] EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

"I hear Biden is coming to Utah. Digging out my old ghillie suit and cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle."

"Perhaps Utah will become famous this week as the place a sniper took out Biden the Marxist."

Those probably cross the line and might not be protected speech. Especially when posted with pictures of the firearms and equipment in question.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What line? Where is this line defined? Can you cite some law that he was breaking that necessitated a death-squad to pay him a visit?

[-] EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Among other possibilities, Utah Code § 76-5-107

(2) (a) An actor commits a threat of violence if the actor: (i) (A) threatens to commit an offense involving bodily injury, death, or substantial property damage; and (B) acts with intent to place an individual in fear of imminent serious bodily injury, substantial bodily injury, or death; or (ii) makes a threat, accompanied by a show of immediate force or violence, to do bodily injury to an individual. (b) A threat under this section may be express or implied.

They showed up with an arrest warrant. Unless and until there's some evidence where they just rolled up with the intent to murder him, I'm going to presume that's not the case.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They are cops doing a no-knock raid at 6:00am, of course they are had intent to murder.

[-] JillyB@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Credible threats have less free speech protection. But I'm also concerned about this. The article doesn't have any details about the raid. If they were trying to arrest him and he pulled a gun, then that's just how it goes. If it was a no-knock raid, then it's closer to summary execution, in my opinion. Hopefully more details come out about this.

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