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Been there twice, it was interesting and already shocking in 2008.
You US Americans should visit Europe or live there for a while. Then you can decide to come back or stay but you'll have at least a reference point in your brain that things can be different and maybe that the US isn't the greatest country in the world in all fields.
The EU is fast-tracking the Fourth Reich, so visit it while there's still time.
The US is a third-world country that failed upwards
My favourite description: "US is 50 third world countries in a trench coat".
I dunno, and this sanity check is coming from someone who's visited over a dozen times and loves it there... EU is not all fun and games, they are going to enforce chat control, apparently bowing to pressure on GDPR, has enforced facial recognition to enter, and right wing parties are growing in multiple countries including the big economic houses: Germany, France, UK. We're all over here looking at you folks to show us the way and if you blink in your resolve, you're going to end up where we are.
On a positive note, Drumpf's policies are hitting a wall of awareness, resistance and resolve. Our recent elections are giving some hope. His pedophile protecting tight grip is loosening it's hold as his desperately unpopular and catastrophic policies are forcing "masks off" upping of their rhetoric and abusive policies. This shows their real racist nazi agenda to everyone and it's only dropping their approval. We're worried they will cook the books next November, but the hope is we can reign in the insanity and undo the damage in the coming decade. It's going to take that long and we will need to start with our dear friends in Canada).
Right-wing is code for not being part of the ruling party block.
I'll continue to equate the right wing with far right extremism until they give me evidence to conclude otherwise. You can call that a code for "out of power" if that's your way of thinking, but it's not mine and I certainly didn't use it that way. I believe it's the reality of the ratcheting overton window for 50 years.
I would agree that far right extremism qualifies as right wing. Trouble is, in Germany the AfD has identical positions as CDU/CSU as of decade or two ago, and both would be considered to be left wing in the US political context. A very left party like BSW was attempted to be smeared to be right wing.
Such labels assigned by the mainstream media have become meaningless, so I would encourage you to look at party programs and their voting patterns in parliaments to gauge where they really stand. I will avoid mentioning the general regression to pre-party times to avoid further confusion.
The EU is now talking about doing what the US was already doing more than a decade ago when Snowden Revelations came out.
And don't get me started on things like the relative ratios of "death by police" and percentage of people in prision (to mention just the things related to the use of force in policing) between America and Europe.
The EU is at least a decade behind the US in creeping autoritarianism and a lot of that shit has been imported from the US (including the new style far right, which amongst other things was set-up with money from American billionaires which Steve Bannon brought to Europe years ago very openly to "create far right parties" and is ideologically fed by American money using social media which for example paid Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to fuel Brexit).
In this turn of the Wheel of History, the equivalent of Nazism is spreading out from America.
I agree with you. I'm not saying the EU isn't doing better on substantially every level like education, social services, policing, well being, worker rights, etc. I'm saying the EU is at risk and it's it goes beyond just the US and global tech corpratism to authoritarian & oligaritarian influence of (soft and hard) compaigns to shift the EU far right. I am saying I hope the EU can hold on to what they have and push back further!
On a side note, the Nazi's borrowed a lot of their eugenics from the US and our deeply ingrained racism, so I'm not 100% sure this is new
Personally I've been boycotting travel to the US or even just with a transfer in the US since the PATRIOT act.
Already over a decade ago I very purposefully chose Canada (highly recommended, by the way) for a month vacationing in North America rather than the US.
The writting has been on the wall for this shit ever since they allowed the TSA to start confiscating traveller's mobile phones and computers way back in Bush's day - the main difference with the current administration compared to the previous ones is that they're open about what they're looking for.
Is this European exceptionalism?
No, I guess Canada and possibly many other countries are similar but I didn't experience them yet.
I think that's why they want our "high value data fields".... ☺️