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I’m currently reading “The Number of the Beast” by Robert Heinlein. Book is from the 1980s, and there’s a completely doubled up paragraph in the book! It spans two pages but the image shows enough I think.

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[-] GorGor@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago

"Number of the Beast" is not one of his good ones.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

I enjoyed it as a teen when I read it. I can see how it's not the best writing, the characters are very static and shallow, but I loved some of the basic ideas. I did think it got a bit weird at the end merging fantasy with everything else.

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its been a LONG time for me, but doesn't it get weird incestous and pedo at the end?

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The incest is heavy at then start, and the pedo has kinda maybe been there in his previous writing? He seems to like the “smaller” and more “meek” women in his stories, but I’ve only read a few so far.

Basically it’s a father daughter and two other people who almost had a thing, and they don’t care about flaunting stuff around.

And Deety has stated she wouldn’t have turned her Pop down.

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 1 points 1 hour ago

yeah. I try to give him some grace as a scifi writer with him seeing the sexual revolution in the 60s based on the release of the pill and trying to imagine where the trajectory will end in 50, 100 years when you separate sex from reproduction. Still his take was kinda creepy and gross.

I think the worst example of him trying to write women was "I Will Fear No Evil". It is an interesting story as it attempts to reconcile sex and gender written from a cis man in the 1970s, but its pretty messed up. I appreciate that he seems to attempt to bring these ideas into mainstream consciousness, I just wonder if he could have done some more research.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe. A lot of the older classic authors have their downsides in how they write their books, and if anything I remember Heinlein's women were not that great. I liked some of their traits, but they were in the end shallow. Fortunately modern writers have evolves, right? :/

The ending of NotB was so off for me for whatever reason that I can't really remember it. I can remember other books of his pretty well. Must mean something. But it was the initial concept that got things going and some of the early character stuff that I liked.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

It makes zero sense to me that the same people who gave us nineteen versions of 'The Hunger Games' wouldn't make a movie of 'Tunnel In The Sky.'

It got almost no publicity when it came out, so let me know if you've seen this one.

https://youtu.be/-FcK_UiVV40

Predestination. Based on "...All You Zombies."

[-] GorGor@startrek.website 4 points 1 day ago

I have not seen that, I will have to check it out.

I thought stranger in a strange land would make a great miniseries. I loved that book as a teen. I read it as an adult some years ago and it didn't hit the same way. Still, it could be adapted to an impactful story today. People would learn where grok came from and disassociate it with Musk's racist piece of trash (pisses me off).

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 3 points 23 hours ago

The anecdote that I heard about "Stranger..." is the Heinlein made more money from film options than he ever made from book sales. Apparently, David Bowie and dozens of other folks wanted to make the movie, but it never came together.

Enjoy.

[-] tgirlschierke 2 points 3 hours ago

To be fair, I don't think it would be easy to market something that faithfully adapts the second half of Stranger.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

I've never seen the movie, but apparently Bowie stole a lot of 'Stranger...' for 'The Man Who Fell To earth.'

Movies were a bit wilder back in the day. "Little Big Man" painted Custer as an incompetent psychopath and John Waters' "Female Trouble" ran in main stream movie houses.

Personally, I think a six to eight hour limited series would be the way to go.

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