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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) by iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml

I've been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn't sure how to feel about it.

Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.

When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken "federation" system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it's never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy's official docs say you can't even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won't actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.

So you can only ever have the "average joe lemmy" and "average joe reddit" with everything approved by the authorities, and then "tor copies of lemmy" and "tor copies of reddit" where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.

People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it's the exact same thing, it's reddit.

When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn't let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won't let you talk at all.

Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.

It's not actually a solution to reddit. It's not designed to be different, it's designed to match the past today and then match reddit's present tomorrow, while being part of a system that's about the same in past, present, and future.

Last year, this year, and next year, you're posting somewhere it won't be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There's no difference here.

Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.

Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. I'll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. I've also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so I'll probably keep spending time there. If anyone's curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.

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[-] 1XEVW3Y07@reddthat.com 16 points 5 days ago

Instances can be created freely, and are free to both associate and disassociate with other instances as they please.

Each instance decides their comfort with content within their instance and outside it. There are left leaning instances, centrist ones, and I'm sure a few right leaning ones. Some are ban-happy, but many will allow you to post all sorts of content, as long as it's not too outlandish.

If the content you wish to see/post is wildly outside the overton window, you can join an instance that allows this or create your own. But other instances are under no obligation to federate with content they don't wish to see.

[-] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Instances can be created freely

No. Instances can be created in a restricted and censored way.

and are free to both associate and disassociate with other instances as they please.

I see no proof. Docs say Tor doesn't work, so you're restricted by DNS / IP address usage, making it up to the authorities who can federate with who, not each instance's "owners."

Each instance decides their comfort with content within their instance and outside it. There are left leaning instances, centrist ones, and I’m sure a few right leaning ones. Some are ban-happy, but many will allow you to post all sorts of content, as long as it’s not too outlandish.

I addressed in my post how this weird censorship fetish is so common, many of you are unable to see what's happening, because you're fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots. It's like you completely missed this before typing a sentence that ends in "as long as it's not too outlandish"

If the content you wish to see/post is wildly outside the overton window, you can join an instance that allows this or create your own. But other instances are under no obligation to federate with content they don’t wish to see.

And I'm under no obligation to recommend Lemmy or stop myself from criticizing it for blocking a basic bit of functionality that would stop it from being increasingly useless for me and others like me

Edit - a lot of this is just pointless. Why make me explain that I'm not obligated to recommend Lemmy? Why explain to me that you're under no obligation to federate with stuff you don't want to? Who asked?

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

you’re fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots

Yeah of course

And you're next.

[-] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

You can tell you're all mentally ill by how the context of this reply is someone else wasting my time with paragraphs of bullshit before you admit the real point they were too passive-aggressive to say

And I mean YOU can tell

Deep down, you know this about yourself, because it's so obvious, that's my point here

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[-] Skavau@piefed.social 8 points 5 days ago

Any instance made can have its own policy.

Do you actually have an example of an instance being dictated to by the "authorities"?

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