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If websites are slow for you, this is why, AWS is breaking everything
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The cloud was a scam for people with more money than sense.
Most people hosting things on the cloud, like Fediverse services, would be better off selfhosting and buying the hardware themselves.
Self hosting requires an immense amount of specialized knowledge and time...
It really doesn't, and certainly not more than running something on AWS.
In fact, hosting on cloud infrastructure adds another layer of complexity.
I stand by my original assertion.
You're just wrong...
I got started self-hosting last week when I got a hold of a smal Lenovo ThinkCentre. I installed Proxmox on it and if I want to self-host something I just spin up a container or virtual machine on the Proxmox system. It's so much easier than installing self-hosted projects on bare metal. And if you want to change things around then just disable or delete the container/vm and let Proxmox stay clean. If one container breaks the rest of the system will still function.
I could easily host Lemmy from home with Proxmox and a reverse proxy with my current setup. I am not going to because I am not interested in moderating a platform and all the responsibility that comes with it, but it's very possible to do.
Edit: the Proxmox community helper scripts makes installing most things a breeze! I use them every opportunity I get.
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/
This is the first script to start with on a fresh install
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=post-pve-install
Cool?
The point was that self-hosting is not hard if you do it the right way. You claim it's very hard and requires specialized knowledge. I don't think it's much different than hosting in the cloud.
I didn't say it was "hard". I said it requires specialized knowledge. Which it does. And which you've not disproven in any way.
Once could say it requires special knowledge to host a service in the cloud too. The extra step I had to take was to open port 80 and 433 on my server and install nginx to forward the traffic to the right container on my local network since I only have one public IP. It took me minimal research to figure it out.
You realize hosting on a VPS is still selfhosting? And my comment was about selfhosting?
Sure, you could say that since you put the service on the VPS. But you don't own the server and host it on your own hardware. Which is what the person you replied to was talking about. Why would you even point out that hosting a service requires special knowledge if you find hosting in a VPS and at home equal?
Not "could". It is.
When you say "hosting in a cloud" vs selfhosting, I think you mean creating an account on a hosted service. Or using something like PikaPods or Fedihost or other managed hosting service. Because once again, hosting in a VPS is selfhosting.
When the majority of people talk about self-hosting they specifically talk about hosting a service on your own hardware. Not a rent on someone else's computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hosting_(web_services)
https://www.openproject.org/blog/why-self-hosting-software/
Even Lenovo knows this shit...
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/self-hosting/
Literally no one thinks that except you. Your own sources state as much.
Whatever. You're not worth my time anymore. Keep getting scammed by cloud hosting if you want to. I will keep using my home server and spread the word about how easy it is to host a home server and how much of a scam a VPS is.
I don't use cloud hosting. But it's not a scam, there are a bunch of security measures that get implemented, and you're not creating a giant security hole in your home network, which greatly lowers the expertise required and risks involved.