303
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2025
303 points (100.0% liked)
Progressive Politics
3484 readers
350 users here now
Welcome to Progressive Politics! A place for news updates and political discussion from a left perspective. Conservatives and centrists are welcome just try and keep it civil :)
(Sidebar still a work in progress post recommendations if you have them such as reading lists)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
How much power do you think VPOTUS has over Israeli policy?
She had complete control over her own campaign platform, where she chose to be in lockstep with Biden.
This. It's up to the politician to build a platform that gets as many votes as possible. The DNC and Harris choose to ignore their base, shout down the Muslim vote, and took more money from special interests groups than Republicans.
I wouldn’t say that, she was beholden to the party donors that would have stopped sending money to all of the corporate Dems if she had a different stance. Biden also wasn’t going to let her distance herself on any of his stances. It was a lose-lose situation from a messaging perspective.
The more ethical choice would have been to have stop taking the big donor money and to have distanced herself from Biden’s stance, but likely still would have lost by doing that given she was trying to win over the average swing state voter.
Personally, I think looking forward, that the corporate Dems that are taking money from pro-Israel PACs should be told they can either keeping taking those donations and be primaried, or they can stop and they will have the support of the voters. Ideally we want progressives but convincing the the corporate Dems to not put money first does matter.
Enough that AIPAC gave her over 9 million dollars so far lol
That doesn’t suggest she has power.
I don't have power. Where's my AIPAC check?
Lol goddamn you're dumb, AIPAC isn't a charity
Enough to have a backbone? To stand on morality? No one made her back genicide. Like the fuck we talking about?
Nothing you said answers the question. What specific actions do you think Harris can take as VP to stop what POTUS is intending to do?
It doesn't matter. Even more so the less power she had to change the situation. All she had to do while vp was say was I don't support, agreed with, nor play a part in the genicide happening in Palestine. She could have said during the campaign that she would stop all weapons going to Isreal and that she'd hand over anyone that helped kill innocent people. She has nothing to lose. Her silence proved she wasn't ready to be president. If she can't stand up to special interest groups with no real skin in the game, do you think she'll magically gain morality once in power? And additionally, what a dumb political move that is ultimately! Not a single vote was gained by backing Isreal, because Republicans were going to back them anyways. Pro genicide people aren't going to vote Democrat, full stop. She was more afraid of losing money rather than the election.
Right in the middle
OK, so you live here. Do you need me to provide evidence for the widespread support for Israel among the voting population?
Uh? what? Among progressives. Among Dem voters? Among Muslims? Among the people the dems needed their votes? How many polls? Lol the support wasn't enough to win her an election. So Ya.
Among Americans in general. If she opposed Israel she would have lost outright. There likely will not be an anti-Israel candidate in the Oval Office any time soon.
Americans in general includes every last republican who would never vote for her. Centrist democrats need to quit trying to get the fascist vote just because they deeply admire all fascists.
being anti genicide doesn't make you anti Israel. Simply not giving them the tools to do harm wouldn't even be enough. We need to actively protect both sides from each other, and return to original boundaries. That's not anti Israel. That's pro human.
And I'm sorry but this just hit me.
She would have lost outright...
She. Would. Have. Lost. Outright.
Compared to... (check notes) Lossing!?
An outright loss means she would never have a chance of winning. Taking the much less popular view would not make it more likely for her to win. Did you really need that clarified for you?
Outright
So you're saying you know exactly how greater her loss would have been if she didn't stand up for human rights? If you know that since outright loss means, never had a chance. So since she didn't outright loss what did she need to do to get more votes from the right or left?
2nd definition- instantaneously was that really hard to placein context?
Do you need someone to explain to you that taking the less popular opinion will not make it more likely for her to win?
Do you know what first past the poll means? Go watch school house rock.
Did you mean first past the post? That's not as much of a factor as the pro-Israel position was the more popular position and thus more likely to gain votes.
Popular on the right and center. Not the progressive base. So she would have lost by now votes is your unsubstantiated claim. Okay... So by losing more and would have lost more of the presidency? Are you saying winning by 1 vote or 1 million isn't the same in our system?