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It's crazy to think this all could have been avoided if Biden just kept his word and let us have an actual primary where Kamala predicably would have lost early on.
Instead we got a half assed bait and switch for the worst polling candidate possible. I swear she was picked because she was the cheapest corpo money could buy.
The DNC needs to be dissolved because they keep picking loser corporate stooges that nobody likes in the belief that they can just AstroTurf and gaslight their way to popularity.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget the fact that the only one that was legally entitled to any of the money raised for Biden’s campaign, over like 3 years of fundraising, was Kamala because she was on the ticket.
Restarting the fundraising process from scratch, after even just a 14-21 day primary process that would somehow also be built out of nowhere, would have meant whoever secured any nomination would have easily been outspent by a mile. They would have had no funds to even campaign on. It probably would have locked all the money that was already donated up too, considering that it would take quite some time to refund all of that money; figure out who was owed what exactly based on what hadnt been spent yet, etc…
Like what the fuck else did anyone expect to reasonably happen? It was stupid for Biden to ever say they could even have had a primary. The real promise he should have stuck to was when he claimed he would only be a one term president years beforehand
Lol, so that is how we decide presidential nominees now? Who has the money backing…
Agree - but bad take
Hasn't that always been the case?
I don't really recall all the rules, but you're right that she was the only one entitled to it legally. However, I'm pretty sure other pacs can run ads for other candidates. For example, you'll sometimes see democrat or republican ads for spoiler candidates. There's surely still a way it could be used to benefit whoever the democratic candidate was. IANAL though.
And she still probably have won if she'd stuck with the campaign she was running at the start, rather than ditching it to pivot right
What, Liz Cheney wasn't good enough for you?? 🙃 Seriously, that's when i knew we were sunk. What a fucking disaster
She also got the Clintons to campaign for her; HRC went down to Florida and Bill went to Michigan, where he defended Israel to Muslim and Arab-American voters that Harris was ostensibly trying to win over.
lol
If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn't a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn't have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn't have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn't just another dogshit neolib.
She was fairly qualified given that she was VP.
I feel that Harris was more left leaning than most people say, but she was playing the election too safe by not trying to promise a stronger platform. She was hedging her bets and was preparing to not have a supermajority in the Senate. In doing so though, her messaging was underwhelming.
If she overpromised and won, then she would have looked exactly the same as Biden. Where nothing meaningful could get passed federally due to being short on votes.
If she underpromised and somehow won big, then the Democrats would have looked great going into 2026 and 2028.
Instead, she underpromised and underperformed, the House, Senate, and White House were lost as a result.
I agree that sticking with a message people can believe in does matter, and it’s why Bernie Sanders is having success even in rural West Virginia in the current year. The progressive platform is popular when people hear about it, so we need an elected leader that believes in the progressive message they are selling.
Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
Sorry I double responded, I meant to reply to another commenter and left it here by accident.
She ran to biden's right. biden never promised to put a republican on his cabinet. He never campaigned with cheneys.
She was perfectly willing to alienate the anti-genocide left.
She ended up sounding like what she was. A pro-genocide centrist.
I firmly believe that she would have continued the biden betrayal of the left and the unconditional support for genocide, only with a republican on her cabinet.
Whatever gives you justification for moving even further to the right. Genocide support wasn't far enough rightward for you.
None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC's own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with "too late for a primary" and "can't adjust voter law" is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren't even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
Your question isn't relevant to what actually happened because it's an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It's literally not. That's not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it's really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
Okay, you do realize that Biden should have stepped down long before the debates ever even occurred.
Again I reiterate, you're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about.
No because there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down.
You stated there was no primary. I pointed out there was and then asked what the difference between Biden stepping down after the primaries had been run was any different thwn if he had died.
If you have any precedent to point to that shows they had to or even were legally permitted to run a new primary I would be interested in seeing it as Im unaware of any.
"there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down."
That's factually incorrect, Biden ran on the promise of being a one term president there was every expectation that he would step down.
You're just trying to justify bringing up random shit at this point, I'm kinda done with talking in circles with you.
I have literally been sticking to the same point the whole time and it is you who keeps trying to bring up new points.
The fact us Biden stepped down. Multiple states had run primaries and selected Biden/Harris. There is no legal way to invalidate those elections that I am aware of.
I never accused you of switching topic other than when you randomly brought up Bidens hypothetical death.
There was plenty of reason for his handlers to know. They hid that from the American people.
The party sued challengers off the ballot for them.
She was the cheapest option. Literally look at the other person talking about how they were the only candidate that could use Bidens money so as to immediately have the millions already invested by big pockets and a candidate they could know they could pay for.
She outraised trump and still lost. We didn't have a primary because the party didn't want someone who might not support genocide.
Would love to kick the DNC to the curb but at the beginning of this year everyone top to bottom was replaced. It is malleable and we need to change it to finally be progressive and actual leftist party for the people.