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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lost Boys: An Estimate of U.S. Circumcision-Related Infant Deaths:

Baby boys can and do succumb as a result of having their foreskin removed. Circumcision-related mortality rates are not known with certainty; this study estimates the scale of this problem. This study finds that more than 100 neonatal circumcision-related deaths (9.01/100,000) occur annually in the United States, about 1.3% of male neonatal deaths from all causes. Because infant circumcision is elective, all of these deaths are avoidable.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That study is from 2010, and the fact that he seems to constantly blame the medical establishment for "hiding the facts", uses cherry-picked emotive cases instead of relying on numbers, and lines like "an unrecognized sacrifice of innocents" in the conclusion make me very skeptical of this whole document. 117 children per year in the US, if true, is absolutely nothing. That'd make this an incredibly safe procedure. Consider the fact that the mortality rate for SIDs in the US is in the thousands per year. SIDs, for those that don't know, is essentially when the baby suddenly dies for no explicable reason whatsoever.

I've been trying to google for either a well-sourced mortality rate for circumcision, or a longitudinal study that shows a decreased standard of living for circumcised people, and I can't seem to find either. If either the mortality rate is indeed high or it decreases standard of living in some way, I will change my mind on this topic immediately.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Okay, I can understand your point.

Here’s a more recent study of circumcision complications from 2021:

Systematic review of complications arising from male circumcision

Complications from neonatal male circumcisions are common and healthcare providers need to be better informed of the potential complications of the surgery so that they can more effectively counsel their patients about potential risks, likelihood of complications and what can be done to prevent them.

As with any surgical procedure, complications after a male circumcision surgery are possible. Some of these complications are minor and easily treated such as bleeding (in patients without a bleeding disorder) and infection; others, however, require additional surgery to correct the complication such as trapped penis and unsatisfactory cosmetic results. Some complications are irreversible such as decreased sexual sensation and death. Psychological issues have been reported to arise in children after operations, including circumcisions.

There are tables that include long lists of complications and links to case studies, and these are worldwide, both in hospital and religious settings.

The point is that circumcision is elective surgery, and can and does pose risks to infants, from psychological damage to permanent disfigurement or even death.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

Ah, a meta-analysis! Excellent, studies of studies are almost always the best way for researchers to summarize findings, thanks a lot.

The conclusions very much match what I was trying to say: done in a sterile environment by doctors in hospitals with anesthetic, it's a very safe procedure. Done by rabbis/imams in the synagogue/mosque, this is insanely dangerous. If I had my way, I'd ban religious figures from performing circumcisions. If you want to get it done, go to a hospital.

As an elective surgery, the benefits are so close to zero as to be non-existent. From the meta-analysis:

while male circumcision may be useful in protecting against the incidence of male urinary tract infections, 12 bacterial colonization is still present after circumcision, so genital hygiene is regarded as more effective in preventing UTIs rather than circumcision surgeries. 13 In certain instances where hygiene is poor, circumcision may be implemented to prevent urinary tract infections.

I certainly wouldn't advocate for anyone that I know getting this procedure as it seems like a small risk for zero benefit (again, when done by doctors), but neither is it mutilation.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are links and sources throughout if you want to dig deeper.

The conclusions very much match what I was trying to say: done in a sterile environment by doctors in hospitals with anesthetic, it's a very safe procedure.

No, they don’t. It concludes it’s safer in hospitals with anaesthetic, which should be obvious, but that even in those environments, it carries the same risks as any surgical procedure.

This does not imply that every male circumcision performed results in a complication but it is important to note that there can be serious life‐altering consequences from this procedure, even if it is done correctly.

Again, even if the complication rate is low (and it’s nowhere near as low as should be acceptable), nearly every instance is preventable by not performing elective surgery on infants.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

There are links and sources throughout if you want to dig deeper.

I definitely will. Thanks for taking the time to share some good sources.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Killing 117 children a year for no reason is absolutely nothing? Uh huh.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

117 ÷ 1,300,000 * 100 = 0.009% of babies undergoing the procedure die, according to that source. Of course, that doesn't include other complications and potential trauma from the baby experiencing post-op pain and thus disrupting the mother-child bond, which I wasn't fully aware of. I've linked some of the studies in my original comment.

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